Not Logged In Log In   Sign Up   Points Leaders
Follow Us    11:21 AM

GasBuddy News Article

29
votes
Shrub Willow Biofuel Offers New York an Alternative to Gas Fracking

cleantechnica.com -- Wow, that was fast. Just last summer, we noticed that scientists at Cornell University were developing shrub willow biofuel as a means of helping New York farmers to squeeze extra income from marginal land, and before the ink has dried on the research papers, we’re getting news of a 1,100 acre shrub willow biofuel operation that is already providing biomass for power plants in the state. If shrub willow energy really does catch on, it could provide farmers in New York and elsewhere with a more sustainable source of extra income than natural gas fracking, despite mounting pressure from the drilling industry.

The new shrub willow operation, called Celtic Energy Farm, is located upstate by Lake Ontario. Land preparation began in 2009 and, according to a report in auburnpub.com, the crop is


Read the Full Article

Submitted Dec 26, 2012 By: teafortwo
Category: Daily News Article Discussions > Topics Add to favorite topics  
Author Topic: Shrub Willow Biofuel Offers New York an Alternative to Gas Fracking Back to Topics
REPLIES (newest first) Post a Reply
Profile Pic
KAR120CSII
Champion Author Oregon

Posts:5,901
Points:1,225,340
Joined:Apr 2010
Message Posted: Dec 29, 2012 8:21:07 PM

Great to get rid of those shrub willows -- scotch broom next?
Profile Pic
jrs4125
Champion Author Indiana

Posts:4,984
Points:1,310,510
Joined:Sep 2011
Message Posted: Dec 27, 2012 6:14:38 AM

Great alternative if it works.
Profile Pic
teenitup
Champion Author Houston

Posts:5,203
Points:934,160
Joined:Sep 2012
Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 10:00:53 PM

Great article Teafortwo, one ill gladly pump.
Profile Pic
livedream
Champion Author Michigan

Posts:6,951
Points:1,487,445
Joined:Mar 2011
Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 9:40:29 PM

Excellent point from PDQBlues --
"The more we can generate power from non-fossil fuels, the better this country will be and less dependent on foreign countries, many of which would otherwise be enemies of the US."

The more we can develop good alternatives, the better off we will be.
Profile Pic
sillywagon
Champion Author New York

Posts:20,412
Points:2,178,995
Joined:Oct 2008
Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 8:18:22 PM

What do they mean by marginal land?

What about farmers turning marginal land into usable cropland to grow food crops for domestic and export use? I have read on GasBuddy about how depleted cropland that is unusable can in five years be turned back into usable cropland.
Profile Pic
joekool1
Champion Author Toledo

Posts:1,099
Points:131,280
Joined:Sep 2012
Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 3:33:29 PM

more news for cave dweller wannabees
Profile Pic
DanMtz
Champion Author Oakland

Posts:6,439
Points:1,981,210
Joined:Oct 2009
Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 2:10:19 PM

Interesting. How long before the powers that be shutdown the biomass fueled plants and insist on cleaner natural gas power plants?
Profile Pic
PDQBlues
Champion Author San Diego

Posts:10,143
Points:2,183,050
Joined:Jan 2009
Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 11:33:45 AM


The more we can generate power from non-fossil fuels, the better this country will be and less dependent on foreign countries, many of which would otherwise be enemies of the US.
Profile Pic
vandamme
Champion Author New York

Posts:1,423
Points:154,150
Joined:Nov 2008
Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 10:23:55 AM

Better than fracking, corn, or burning dino juice. This stuff grows on old strip-mines.
Profile Pic
car253
Champion Author Ohio

Posts:9,185
Points:2,167,610
Joined:Oct 2008
Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 9:19:17 AM

More nonsense, people will claim anything to get tax payer money.
Profile Pic
Luckylindy
Champion Author Milwaukee

Posts:7,296
Points:1,832,875
Joined:May 2008
Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 9:16:17 AM

We are saved by the shrub willow. Oh please.
Profile Pic
doeslayersr
Champion Author Illinois

Posts:12,882
Points:1,609,430
Joined:Dec 2010
Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 9:08:12 AM

The Save Our Willows (SOW) organization has a different opinion about this.
Profile Pic
peabeax55
All-Star Author Atlanta

Posts:877
Points:302,670
Joined:Mar 2012
Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 8:53:20 AM

But, until then, we are going to get the fuel we need NOW.
Profile Pic
daytonabiker
Champion Author Florida

Posts:2,966
Points:834,175
Joined:Oct 2012
Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 7:10:51 AM

no one needs to squeeze anything,gasoline prices are going back up as predicted,even with all the false stories here about oil oversupplies,oil going down,my prices are 3.35 at the pump.some of the stories here are just to give hope when there isn't any,same old story,if speculators want more money,just manipulate the gas prices
Profile Pic
Radar1992
Champion Author Virginia

Posts:4,389
Points:1,045,365
Joined:Dec 2011
Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 6:25:51 AM

So what do you do with the Biofuel byproducts or leftovers?
Profile Pic
DeserTBoB
Champion Author California

Posts:1,757
Points:293,545
Joined:Aug 2012
Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 3:26:44 AM

I have to be nice to people in here. It's a shame...it's a TARGET-RICH ENVIRONMENT for IDIOTS!
Profile Pic
JohnofGB
Champion Author Flint

Posts:8,493
Points:1,830,420
Joined:Feb 2010
Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 3:21:10 AM

Yean, right , uhuh, ....................
Profile Pic
KAR120CSII
Champion Author Oregon

Posts:5,901
Points:1,225,340
Joined:Apr 2010
Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 2:08:05 AM

I think you are patronizing them by calling them 'these' willows, their mothers love them and they are 'shrub' willows, and the moose love them too, and the grouse hide under them for safety. And these are in NY, not MN, and what does someone from OK know about MN?



[Edited by: KAR120CSII at 12/26/2012 2:11:46 AM EST]
Profile Pic
cdrrod
Champion Author Wisconsin

Posts:6,950
Points:1,479,245
Joined:Feb 2006
Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 2:02:40 AM

Much better idea!
Profile Pic
KAR120CSII
Champion Author Oregon

Posts:5,901
Points:1,225,340
Joined:Apr 2010
Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 1:53:09 AM

Why do people hate shrub willows?

Ever try to climb Mt.Bierstadt?
Profile Pic
Bezalel
Champion Author Oklahoma City

Posts:15,211
Points:3,025,990
Joined:Oct 2006
Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 1:51:40 AM

Most of northern Minnesota is swampy with evergreen or these willows. Check on the evergreen or logging waste, too.
Profile Pic
MrLefty0706
Champion Author Chicago

Posts:4,480
Points:1,086,435
Joined:Apr 2012
Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 1:46:47 AM

Glad to see it.
Profile Pic
gasmack
Champion Author Ventura

Posts:3,911
Points:1,345,580
Joined:Feb 2011
Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 1:32:07 AM

Let's hear it for shrub willow as a biofuel! MORE RESEARCH,PLEASE!
Profile Pic
crmedic
Champion Author Arkansas

Posts:6,107
Points:773,350
Joined:Jul 2011
Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 1:22:57 AM

Sounds interesting! Good luck!
Profile Pic
Quick68
Champion Author Columbus

Posts:12,437
Points:1,964,675
Joined:Dec 2009
Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 1:22:49 AM

Their is something wrong with this article. Something is missing. The whole story is not here.
Profile Pic
sprocketsplines
Champion Author Washington

Posts:4,710
Points:1,583,455
Joined:Oct 2010
Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 1:22:07 AM

Hopefully shrub willow biofuel can replace the use of corn as the latter is more likely to be used as cattle feed. It has been a tough year of drought and the EPA has not moved on their stance of using corn for biofuel.
Profile Pic
Bruno44
Champion Author Texas

Posts:10,072
Points:2,486,280
Joined:Sep 2007
Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 1:21:17 AM

Hope it works for NY.
Profile Pic
afghaned
Champion Author Ottawa

Posts:16,010
Points:2,024,590
Joined:May 2004
Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 1:18:31 AM

Good luck with this venture.
Profile Pic
mrjames1818
Champion Author New Jersey

Posts:4,643
Points:2,734,470
Joined:Mar 2004
Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 1:17:11 AM

ILVET - ditto
Profile Pic
pa79th
Champion Author Pennsylvania

Posts:4,851
Points:1,933,825
Joined:Jun 2007
Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 1:17:05 AM

Let's stick to growing stuff out of the ground that we can eat...
Profile Pic
335d1
Champion Author Virginia

Posts:5,473
Points:1,466,420
Joined:Feb 2011
Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 1:15:53 AM

They are not using corn or other food plants.
Profile Pic
LostInNY
Champion Author New York

Posts:4,704
Points:1,380,385
Joined:Apr 2011
Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 1:13:44 AM

Good to see alternatives
Profile Pic
probedude2
Champion Author Akron

Posts:15,646
Points:3,117,055
Joined:Jun 2003
Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 1:13:28 AM

At least it's not ethanol from corn
Profile Pic
GAS1251
Champion Author Texas

Posts:8,246
Points:2,364,960
Joined:Jun 2008
Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 1:11:55 AM

Another "time will tell" possibility.
Profile Pic
Thomtec
Champion Author Nashville

Posts:5,484
Points:1,341,230
Joined:May 2011
Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 1:09:36 AM

Take the offer NY so you can lag further behind.
Profile Pic
ILVET
Champion Author Illinois

Posts:18,083
Points:3,661,520
Joined:Jan 2005
Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 1:05:55 AM

Maybe this will eventually replace corn
Profile Pic
cutter1330
Champion Author Oklahoma

Posts:10,350
Points:2,397,300
Joined:Jul 2005
Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 1:05:45 AM

bio fuels don't seem to work out.
Profile Pic
KrsnaDragon
Champion Author Montreal

Posts:5,802
Points:1,265,945
Joined:Nov 2011
Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 1:05:03 AM

I'm not sold on this.
Profile Pic
DirtDauber
Champion Author San Antonio

Posts:9,870
Points:2,366,990
Joined:Nov 2005
Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 1:04:59 AM

Most likely a limited source of material.
Profile Pic
TIGERPAW46
Champion Author Florida

Posts:10,266
Points:2,075,375
Joined:Mar 2004
Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 1:03:49 AM

ETHANOL, BIOFUELS FROM MOST GROWN CROPS IS A WASTE, BUT FROM LAND NOT SUITABLE FOR ANY OTHER USABLE CROPS, MIGHT NOT BE AS BAD.
Profile Pic
EZExit
Champion Author Phoenix

Posts:17,089
Points:2,446,425
Joined:Aug 2008
Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 1:02:17 AM

This is similar to nuclear fusion, more energy and resources go into making it than you get out of it. This could only work if it gets free money from the US taxpayers.
Profile Pic
gcalleja
Champion Author Miami

Posts:3,287
Points:1,248,915
Joined:May 2011
Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 1:01:21 AM

I love variety!
Profile Pic
LKnight598
Champion Author South Carolina

Posts:2,458
Points:548,420
Joined:Nov 2005
Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 12:59:52 AM

Something new for the government to subsidise!
Profile Pic
vibdata
Champion Author Massachusetts

Posts:5,135
Points:1,075,795
Joined:Nov 2005
Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 12:58:50 AM

GO SOLAR. You will get more power more easily from that than from other sources, especially from biofuels.
Profile Pic
TBONE3
Champion Author Pennsylvania

Posts:10,829
Points:2,427,350
Joined:Mar 2005
Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 12:58:06 AM

Time will tell.
Profile Pic
animal63
Champion Author Indiana

Posts:1,114
Points:1,552,405
Joined:Oct 2008
Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 12:57:47 AM

Should have known that the federal government was involved but at least they didn't waste their money this time.
Profile Pic
jrsva
Champion Author Virginia

Posts:13,181
Points:2,351,650
Joined:Jan 2006
Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 12:57:00 AM

“About 800 acres of shrub willow can yield about 1 megawatt . . .”

That’s a lot of land to use for just one MW. I guess if they are using poor farmland and not removing forest that would be OK.
Profile Pic
Tigercat88
Champion Author North Carolina

Posts:6,285
Points:1,355,740
Joined:Jul 2011
Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 12:54:49 AM

I will believe it when I see it on the market.
Profile Pic
unicornpmb
Champion Author Buffalo

Posts:11,579
Points:2,368,470
Joined:Sep 2005
Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 12:52:55 AM

Great.
Profile Pic
MJIOWA
Champion Author Iowa

Posts:7,874
Points:1,809,400
Joined:Nov 2009
Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 12:52:36 AM

ok
Profile Pic
IUVidiot
Champion Author Indiana

Posts:6,681
Points:1,446,760
Joined:Jun 2011
Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 12:48:36 AM

ok
Post a reply Back to Topics