murphy50
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Old news.
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kingdick
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As I have Said BEFORE
I DO NOT like any Corporate subsidies.
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gas1prospector
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Keep in mind, the Ford Escape and its counterpart The Mercury Mariner which are classified as light trucks, not cars, have also made this year's 10 worst vehicle list. What a go Ford. This is your better idea?
What really burns me, is that these guys get a tax break for this. See - Flim Flam at the Tax Trough
[Edited by: gas1prospector at 3/31/2008 3:12:29 PM EST]
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The batteries cost $4000 - $6000 alone and then the electrical controls cost plenty more than a gas tank
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pull that wagon
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Rageagainsttm
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and still even more old news
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GooseMI
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More confusion, the consumer wants simple and cheap, but with all the bells and whistles, easy to use and fill up, but safe fast and non polluting. Huffy/Schwinn is now jointly building a vehicle for the 21st century.
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ChilePop
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2 mode system in the Chevy gets 34 mpg on the highway vs 45 for both the Civic Hybrid and the Prius.
When will our "best in the world" technology ever catch up?????
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PetrolKingNC
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Hybrids are not the answer
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Lonewolftx
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Let see it on the show room floor then . .
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woos777
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At least someone is on the wagon.
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copperhead8
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Not for me.
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EarlyMoose
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Run, Forest, Run!!
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They may be climbing aboard, but the US automakers are way behind and trying to make a Hummer green takes more than just a coat of paint!
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Don20
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More four day old news....
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CyanSquirrel
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You'll care how they're "recycled" (Ahem...shipped off to China and Africa on toxic barges destined for landfills) when your supply of drinking water is contaminated from heavy metals leaching out of improperly disposed of batteries of all kinds. Shouldn't there be some kind of answers to the questions being asked about how 1st gen and 2nd gen battery systems will be compatible/rechargeable/disposable/recyclable?? Why are the automakers so silent on this. Reminds me of DDT and other things that were used first, and questions asked later.
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Motidover
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Lease and then return
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Electric motor at higher speeds? Better for towing? I wonder if this is what the hybrid 'burban has?
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Gul
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Hey MnSwede - Do you REALLY wanna know? Cuz I do know how they are recycled.
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BoerneWatch
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Who cares how the batteries are recycled?
Part of the purchase price of any battery is a hefty tax to dispose/recycle them. Have you not bought a battery lately?
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MnSwede
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Again, how are the batteries recycled
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taco40
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This article has been listed for three days
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don985
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Old news.
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bowler48226
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This article is 3 days old.
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Duke1959
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SAME OLE NEWS
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bug27
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Why are they so slow at doing anything?
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rvnvet70
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They were climbing last week.
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gotoneros
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Cant afford new car now.
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What dopes.
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Hurry up and make them affordable.
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AALLLLL ABAORRRDDD!!
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HockeyLady
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nothing wrong with competition
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txholeyrocks
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"Hydrogen is an interesting alternative, but I don't think that it will ever become mainstream. To different from what is currently used, so unless everyone is forced to switch to it, I don't see it happening."
I have posted this in past, but will comment on hydrogen fuel comment. You are pretty much correct. My friend who is an engineer worked for Ballard an engineer vehichle firm in San Diego. My friend worked as a liaison with the top 3 Euro auto makers and the USA auto makers on the hydrogen fuel cell vehicles. He gave up after 6 yrs or so on the project deeming it a failure because even though they can make it and fine tune it the problem is how to get these cars fueled up world wide? Solve that and then you have another problem that leads to bigger problems and then that has to be solved and it's basically a domino effect in a failure of systems as a whole as the world today runs on Petroleum. Here is a fact. E85 is fairly new. Here in Austin 2 gas stations have it. Do new gas stations have an E85 fuel pump installed? NO. In the time E85 came out to present how many gas stations have closed as well as reopened and carried E85 I don't know locally, but I garantee you its over 10 and only 2 have it locally. You begin to see the problem with just that in it's self. Okay now back to hydrogen. Where do you make hydrogen come from and who is going to say this is how it's extracted from as a source. Is the world as a whole going to agree? No of coarse not. You'll have this country does it like this and this one does it like this. Then the gov't regulations on having a hydrogen fuel stations is so darned expensive and the protocals to operate it are astronomical in it's self. Try close to $1 million bucks as well as local fire departments having to be specially trained. It doesn't become economical when the world runs on pretroleum for nearly all vehichles and machinery in a combustion chamber engine. It's a slow process to convert any new fuel over to the public, as well as it being accepted by the public. Electric cars were killed because Ford couldn't make much money and touted BIG GAS guzzler SUV's and hummers as a way to make money "BIGGER IS SAFER". Bottom line is until greed is over come and the gov't parties in the world decide environmental issues are better your not going to see alternative fuels be the primary source of a combustion chamber engine.
To drive a hybrid it's said you have to have something like fuel prices at 5 bucks. Do you see hybrid cars in dealerships no, you have to special order them. You can't take it for a test drive, so the likely hood is that your not going to even buy one. Out of sight out of mind. Upping the price of fuel we don't have much choice now do we? We can shed our waste of poor gas guzzlers and if you have not seen craigslist cars take a look at that and your going to laugh. It's an eye opener.
Some city in California has hydrogen public buses. I think 5 of them. The cost of the buses I think were 1.2 million bucks each. They did get a sliver of Gov't kick backs. The cost is 5x's the cost of a normal bus. It still takes Propane to run the bus so don't think that they don't have a fuel to burn and last I noted Propane costs the same amt as car fuel as I filled up my home propane tank just about the same cost as I did at the pump last yr.
I hate OPEC with a passion! I hate our Prez and didn't vote him in office. OPEC is a serious crutch to the world and whom else are you going to blame other then your own world gov't. $ is greed and that's the basic life structure.
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Magnum0829
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Hybrid!
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They need to hurry. I'm tired of putting money in the execs pockets.
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gasman50
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Very old news
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'C-Systems is no longer viable." (Interesting movie quote from "Chain Reactiion".) Thought provoking ... but overdone.
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sounds wonderful
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old news
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Finally some US auto makers are getting into the hybred "game".
I hope our old 91, and 90 hold together for a few more years, since most of the cars won't be out till 2010.
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Way to go...
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very old news
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Last fall there were articles on this web site that Toyota was going to cut back production of the Prius and replace it with E85 vehicles. Now the electric hybrid is headed north again. Confusing.
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Hydrogen is an interesting alternative, but I don't think that it will ever become mainstream. To different from what is currently used, so unless everyone is forced to switch to it, I don't see it happening.
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old news
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Automakers can offer suggestions, but consumers determine the market.
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Didn't GM make all electic car about 10 years ago? Then it drop out of market in very short time.
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OUCH
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