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Industries try to stop higher-ethanol fuel

USA Today -- A coalition of oil and food industry groups filed a petition with the Supreme Court Thursday asking it to overturn a lower court decision that said they didn't have standing to sue over a federal decision to allow more ethanol in fuel.

API and the Grocery Manufacturers Association were joined by groups representing the meat, pork and chicken industries in the petition because of the effect increased use of corn for fuel has on the prices the food industry has to pay for feed and raw materials. Corn is used in the production of ethanol.

The groups also claim EPA approved E15 before testing by the oil and auto industries had been completed. Earlier industry testing showed E15 could damage engines and cause vehicles that use it to break down. The groups say that's true even in the 2001 and

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bell013 All-Star Author Atlanta Posts:516 Points:100,150 Joined:Feb 2013	Message Posted: Feb 23, 2013 11:25:15 AM Ignore bell013 Report Abuse We don't need ethanol, especially E15.
timesaverinc Champion Author Wichita Posts:1,603 Points:321,865 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Feb 23, 2013 10:01:06 AM Ignore timesaverinc Report Abuse Good, only benefits farmers at cost of consumers
SkooterG Champion Author Phoenix Posts:1,369 Points:344,185 Joined:May 2012	Message Posted: Feb 23, 2013 3:27:01 AM Ignore SkooterG Report Abuse When will politicians listen? Ethanol is NOT popular. Except to the farmers and of course their very powerful lobby.
yakstar Champion Author Montreal Posts:2,555 Points:507,225 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Feb 23, 2013 1:05:47 AM Ignore yakstar Report Abuse holy E15 fuel!
Z51Corvette Champion Author Austin Posts:8,608 Points:1,697,410 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Feb 23, 2013 12:59:44 AM Ignore Z51Corvette Report Abuse There is NO question e15 will damage engines... shoot E10 is doing so... so why should 15 even be considered.
naspa Champion Author Cleveland Posts:1,412 Points:379,625 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Feb 23, 2013 12:25:10 AM Ignore naspa Report Abuse No ethanol in gasoline!
crreed1 Champion Author West Virginia Posts:2,100 Points:2,550,715 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Feb 23, 2013 12:25:04 AM Ignore crreed1 Report Abuse they don't give a shit
jrsva Champion Author Virginia Posts:9,999 Points:1,639,950 Joined:Jan 2006	Message Posted: Feb 23, 2013 12:18:24 AM Ignore jrsva Report Abuse It is disturbing to find myself agreeing with the API but this is a no-brainer. Ethanol is a three-way loser. It would be super if these groups have enough clout to get the RFS overturned as well as the E15 rule. We can all cheer for Big Oil just this once.
ljay99 Rookie Author Indianapolis Posts:15 Points:84,880 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Feb 23, 2013 12:15:21 AM Ignore ljay99 Report Abuse CORN = SUGAR. as a food it offers very little nutrition. fiber and sugar. its cheap sugar that's all. E85 = 20% less Mpg. but logic is rarely in reality . the government/the rich will always tell us sheep-people what to do. as they shove it down your throat
pastorpaulcg Champion Author Virginia Posts:3,615 Points:775,785 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Feb 23, 2013 12:11:03 AM Ignore pastorpaulcg Report Abuse i do my best to not purchase ethanol
arb0526 Champion Author Greensboro Posts:2,117 Points:438,320 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Feb 23, 2013 12:10:57 AM Ignore arb0526 Report Abuse Need corn for grits not for our cars.
Rageagainsttm Champion Author Tampa Posts:8,422 Points:1,927,885 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Feb 23, 2013 12:09:31 AM Ignore Rageagainsttm Report Abuse Please stop all ethanlo fuel.
toxigas Champion Author Oakland Posts:1,333 Points:433,000 Joined:Oct 2011	Message Posted: Feb 23, 2013 12:09:16 AM Ignore toxigas Report Abuse Ironic. The food industry is complaining about the higher price of corn for their factory-farmed animals, but generally those animals shouldn't be eating corn products (and byproducts) at all. It's not their natural, healthy diet and the products that come from these corn-fed animals is making people sick. Profit trumps common sense daily. Oh, and yeah, I'm not keen to see higher-ethanol fuels forced on my vehicle that's not designed for it. Great for systems designed to withstand it, but I can't afford repairs brought on by political foolishness...
rahcat Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:2,681 Points:689,900 Joined:Jan 2010	Message Posted: Feb 23, 2013 12:09:16 AM Ignore rahcat Report Abuse Ban ethanol and defund the EPA.
jrschl Champion Author Louisville Posts:3,107 Points:708,465 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Feb 23, 2013 12:08:58 AM Ignore jrschl Report Abuse Please. I hope they can knock some sense into them.
kymechanic All-Star Author Kentucky Posts:926 Points:591,010 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Feb 23, 2013 12:08:47 AM Ignore kymechanic Report Abuse Stupit EPA liberals
N5EXY Champion Author Austin Posts:5,633 Points:1,537,310 Joined:Jul 2004	Message Posted: Feb 23, 2013 12:08:35 AM Ignore N5EXY Report Abuse ETOH is a good fuel in a motor that is designed for it. We produce enough food for this country but we have a distribution problem. ETOH mixed into fuels for motors not intended to burn it is a bad idea promulgated by the government. The food distribution problem is made worse by politics. Get the gummint out of the picture.
clermont40miles Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:10,754 Points:1,799,595 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Feb 23, 2013 12:07:53 AM Ignore clermont40miles Report Abuse scubadaniel made this comment below... Ethanol = Stuck on Stupid. ---- my comment on his post... Succinct. Accurate. To the point. Descriptive of greenies, lawmakers & bureaucrats promoting ethanol.
hammer219115 Veteran Author Pennsylvania Posts:411 Points:22,950 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Feb 23, 2013 12:07:23 AM Ignore hammer219115 Report Abuse Here we go again, blah-blah, blah-blah.
ClassicWheeler All-Star Author Montgomery Posts:785 Points:336,125 Joined:Apr 2012	Message Posted: Feb 23, 2013 12:05:44 AM Ignore ClassicWheeler Report Abuse Give it up, government! We need to feed out starving children.
ManOfLeisureII Champion Author Philadelphia Posts:2,015 Points:481,100 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Feb 23, 2013 12:03:55 AM Ignore ManOfLeisureII Report Abuse Ethanol is a bad idea and would not be in motor fuel if it were not subsidized.
clermont40miles Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:10,754 Points:1,799,595 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Feb 23, 2013 12:03:22 AM Ignore clermont40miles Report Abuse I hope these industry groups are successful in stopping higher percentage ethanol. E-zero is the goal. Stop burning our food.
nomad228 Champion Author Columbus Posts:3,143 Points:580,215 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Feb 23, 2013 12:02:43 AM Ignore nomad228 Report Abuse could not agree more-but i also like ot point out do these groups actually still feed corn to their livestock. : ) really? according to one news stations i watched they dont feed corn to cows and other livestock because they were not designed by God to eat corn/whole grains. they were designed ot eat guess what.......grasses. bugs,worms,so on and so on. it is the industry of livestock growers who feed them corn to fatten up their profits/livestock .......just wanted to point out some of the white lies both sides are telling U.S. about meat prices and corn prices and fuel prices.:) knowledge is power and now you know the rest of the story. gi joe or walter kronkite. : ) hahahahahah
southrob Champion Author Tucson Posts:3,736 Points:714,900 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Feb 23, 2013 12:00:23 AM Ignore southrob Report Abuse dhan
Sydman Sophomore Author Grand Rapids Posts:110 Points:1,822,645 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Feb 22, 2013 11:55:49 PM Ignore Sydman Report Abuse Corn is fuel for body, not car.
Ferdman17 Champion Author Albany Posts:1,420 Points:401,785 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: Feb 22, 2013 11:54:53 PM Ignore Ferdman17 Report Abuse Regulate if your not going to ban it
oppdetcon Champion Author Ottawa Posts:1,536 Points:524,730 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Feb 22, 2013 11:53:02 PM Ignore oppdetcon Report Abuse Ban ethanol...
mazda03 Veteran Author Quebec City Posts:278 Points:1,299,295 Joined:Nov 2006	Message Posted: Feb 22, 2013 11:52:13 PM Ignore mazda03 Report Abuse fuel .....sorry
grt197 All-Star Author Illinois Posts:707 Points:152,290 Joined:Jan 2013	Message Posted: Feb 22, 2013 11:51:57 PM Ignore grt197 Report Abuse they have no choice
bston Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:1,955 Points:669,990 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Feb 22, 2013 11:51:55 PM Ignore bston Report Abuse No more ethanol!
mazda03 Veteran Author Quebec City Posts:278 Points:1,299,295 Joined:Nov 2006	Message Posted: Feb 22, 2013 11:51:39 PM Ignore mazda03 Report Abuse no corn for food
vibdata Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:4,181 Points:866,235 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Feb 22, 2013 11:51:30 PM Ignore vibdata Report Abuse There is no choice. E10 is everywhere up here. No plain old gasoline anymore. But I'm sure it doesn't do any good for the engine. AND it doesn't get as many mpg as plain old gas.
nwsynthetics Champion Author Oregon Posts:1,019 Points:354,400 Joined:Dec 2011	Message Posted: Feb 22, 2013 11:46:56 PM Ignore nwsynthetics Report Abuse yep. Ban e10, e15, eeeeeeeeeeee
jorod55 Champion Author California Posts:1,612 Points:459,200 Joined:Dec 2011	Message Posted: Feb 22, 2013 11:46:20 PM Ignore jorod55 Report Abuse Corn is for drinkin, Gas is for driving.
gasmack Champion Author Ventura Posts:1,752 Points:679,840 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Feb 22, 2013 11:45:43 PM Ignore gasmack Report Abuse Ban E-15!
1Casey Champion Author Albany Posts:6,636 Points:1,811,170 Joined:Jun 2004	Message Posted: Feb 22, 2013 11:45:39 PM Ignore 1Casey Report Abuse more research
us4usa Champion Author Missouri Posts:6,120 Points:1,137,585 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Feb 22, 2013 11:44:10 PM Ignore us4usa Report Abuse Big Corn didn't stop at E-10, they want more, more like E-85...
prassu2012 All-Star Author Illinois Posts:810 Points:175,400 Joined:Dec 2012	Message Posted: Feb 22, 2013 11:42:36 PM Ignore prassu2012 Report Abuse dont know
SpankyMI Champion Author Kalamazoo Posts:2,831 Points:784,615 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Feb 22, 2013 11:36:15 PM Ignore SpankyMI Report Abuse Eat corn, do not feed it to your car.
tco9436 Champion Author Connecticut Posts:1,807 Points:743,650 Joined:Mar 2010	Message Posted: Feb 22, 2013 11:30:59 PM Ignore tco9436 Report Abuse my car runs like crap on regular gas, if i put premium in it it purrs and i get 40-75 more miles on a tank full depending on city/highway driveing. its worth the extra $6-$8 fill up.
Buddy2264 Champion Author Tampa Posts:11,797 Points:2,387,670 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Feb 22, 2013 11:24:41 PM Ignore Buddy2264 Report Abuse Ethanol or flex fuel vehicles are not the problem in the future as we all change up, the problem is that we let it all come from CORN, that has to change.
sillywagon Champion Author New York Posts:15,113 Points:1,468,820 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Feb 22, 2013 11:23:53 PM Ignore sillywagon Report Abuse An example of businesses caring about their customers. And as for everybody knowing that corn ethanol sucks. That of course excludes most of the bureaucrats and politicians in WashingtonDC. Most in WashingtonDC think E-15 is great, or our scared to stand up against E-15. Otherwise the E-15 crap would be scraped on behalf of consumers best interests.
abcdMA Champion Author Worcester Posts:8,052 Points:1,600,730 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Feb 22, 2013 11:22:45 PM Ignore abcdMA Report Abuse food is not fuel
Van_Halen Champion Author Atlanta Posts:2,959 Points:667,045 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Feb 22, 2013 11:22:12 PM Ignore Van_Halen Report Abuse . Get Government out of the Energy business
Spirits All-Star Author Florida Posts:911 Points:372,800 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Feb 22, 2013 11:19:23 PM Ignore Spirits Report Abuse Corn is for eating not fueling.
Carol7777 All-Star Author Houston Posts:864 Points:175,685 Joined:Dec 2012	Message Posted: Feb 22, 2013 11:18:07 PM Ignore Carol7777 Report Abuse Definitely need more research into possible damage to engines, actual cosr of producing a gallon of ethanol, and impact on other vital industries.
voom Rookie Author Nevada Posts:41 Points:649,020 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Feb 22, 2013 11:14:02 PM Ignore voom Report Abuse It takes about 1.3 gallons of oil to produce one gallon of ethanol.
CiVX Champion Author Oakland Posts:7,146 Points:1,384,135 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: Feb 22, 2013 11:13:07 PM Ignore CiVX Report Abuse I think it would be OK if it didn't come from food; it works great in Brazil.
GreenLegend Champion Author Raleigh Posts:1,673 Points:402,595 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Feb 22, 2013 11:11:44 PM Ignore GreenLegend Report Abuse Ethanol in competition with food and feed is unethical and amoral. A disgrace. Ethanol should be banned. And, it's bad for engines. Damn type b bureaucrats and their 'regulations'!
serrog Champion Author Nova Scotia Posts:5,705 Points:1,539,830 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Feb 22, 2013 11:11:11 PM Ignore serrog Report Abuse Hope they succeed