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Green-power, low-energy users get brunt of utility rate increase

JS Online -- The sting of the We Energies rate increase that just went into effect will hurt most for those who use less energy and those who buy green power.

In approving rate boosts for Wisconsin utilities last month, the Public Service Commission gave the go-ahead to We Energies and Madison Gas & Electric Co. to increase the size of the fixed charge on monthly bills - and to increase the rate paid by customers who want greener power sources.

As a result, a We Energies customer who uses about half as much power as a typical customer will see bills jump by nearly 7%, whereas residential bills overall will rise by 5.6%, to about $90 a month.

Meanwhile, the premium paid by We Energies' green-power customers went up 74%, according to the PSC. That means an average customer who's paying extra for green


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MAC48
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 12:48:40 AM

There should be no objection from anyone to electric rates for those who want only green power paying for the true cost of providing that green power. It is wrong for the customers who do not choose to use or demand green power to have to subsidize the kilowatt hour rate charged to those who demand green power.

The fixed charge, a.k.a facilities charge, component in a monthly electric bill is there to recover the cost of the utility being able to provide electricity to a customer if requested and should be the same for each group of customers receiving the same level of service, such as residential, small commercial, large commercial or industrial, no matter how many kilowatt hours each individual customer within a customer class does or does not use each month. As long as the fixed charge is the same for all of the customers in each customer class then there is no problem with the fixed charge component.
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52MPG
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 12:31:22 AM

The trend of the future....Increase Rates.
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 11:54:52 PM

Guess they'll have to put off buying that EV.
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 4:50:31 AM

No kidding?
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tomok
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 3:25:50 AM

Green-power, low-energy users get brunt of utility rate increase? Makes you wonder why do I bother to use less electrical power and get charged more? One way to decrease this monthly overcharge is to produce your own power from solar panels and/or wind turbines mounted on your house or property. Your own generating system will involve an upfront charge to purchase the components, install the system and get paid back with lower electrical usage that the utility cannot charge you for.
I had the same thing with public water rates, water conservation and low flow shower heads were pushed years ago and after everything was finished, they raised the water rates because they didn't have enough money to pay 'their' water bills. So much for conservation!
Whatever the size or shape of the vehicle, vehicle manufactures Produce and the population ‘Drives’ vehicles with high MPG, are very safe, reliable, have a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money.
The price of fuel at the pump is too high!
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 1:02:19 AM

What does this have to do with the price of gasoline?
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 12:52:14 AM

All we heard now is green green green, nothing else.
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 12:50:59 AM

OK.
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 12:42:45 AM

Broken link.
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 11:44:06 PM

This just the tip of the iceberg for rate increases.
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 11:31:21 PM

Aw, shucks!!
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 10:14:40 PM

If you want to be green, you will pay for it
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 7:34:30 PM

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There is NOT SUCH THING as Green Energy, PERIOD. If its Energy it is not green or clean by definition! And all this is doing is making it harder for people to power their homes, especially the poor whom the Dumbocrats repeatedly say they are trying to help but only ever hurt!

If you want to see what happens when the Government gets involved with Green Energy, just look at Spain! That is were we are headed. A Green Energy Bankrupt Country!
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 7:25:42 PM

Down with green govt graft.
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 6:07:23 PM

Ok
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 4:32:11 PM

new lower cost just all company making money
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 4:12:45 PM

Some days you lose and some days you tie.
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 1:52:02 PM

using less means they will charge us more? greedy low life's!

[Edited by: katmandue at 1/6/2013 1:53:21 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 1:48:10 PM

I'm glad my rates are locked in for another year. It could get ugly out there.
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 1:37:55 PM

It is always the same .. poor pay the subsidy of rich ...
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 12:33:56 PM

Aw, pooh. Looking it up, I find the company has been charging $.25 per day as the 'facilities charge'. Apparently, they intend to increase it to $.30 per day.

The customers should be glad their local provider of electricity is not Piedmont Electric Membership Corporation (in North Carolina) --- this outfit charges $1.00 per day as the facilities charge!

[Edited by: rabbit_tdi at 1/6/2013 12:39:04 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 11:47:17 AM

What an obummer.
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 11:28:03 AM

Just the price of those wonderful wind and solar electrons.
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 11:26:53 AM

If in Wisconsin those companies are new in the green power business, they have had to add the infrastructure to support this, which adds to the expense of producing the power. It was the customers choice to select this option, not a requirement. It seems fair to me.

In California, power produced from all sources, hydroelectric, solar, wind, nuclear, and geothermal, all goes to the grid, and everyone pays their share of the costs.
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 11:16:46 AM

I should hope so - it is about time they started paying their fair share of the related infrastructure cost.
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 11:15:27 AM

Kinda funny.
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 11:15:13 AM

This just don't make sense - you try to save energy and then you get billed more.
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 11:14:57 AM

They have better sense than that in Wisconsin!
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 11:13:30 AM

They should praise those who use less not the high users who cause extra expense by the electric producers who might have to expand production
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 11:12:27 AM

Bad management
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 11:10:24 AM

If I beleive this, the less energy I use the more it will cost? Can anyone remember which year any utility LOWERED it's rates??
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 11:10:23 AM

Let those "Greenies" put their money where their mouths are and pay their "fair share". We in Idaho are getting sWINDled by the pro-Wind Energy forces who are turning our formerly unblemished hills and mountains into veritable Sherwood Forests of wind turbines. BEWARE those of you who are being pressured into approving this seemingly benign malignancy. You WILL regret it! Once they go up, they will be there forever, regardless of their economic feasibility.
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 11:09:55 AM

HA HA That's just plain funny!!
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 11:09:46 AM

Cause and effect
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 11:09:00 AM

Only part of "Green" power is less green in your wallet
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 11:08:03 AM

We just pay more for everything.
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 11:07:36 AM

As usual.
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 11:06:48 AM

Power is cheap. Admin cost are high.
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 11:06:41 AM

Sounds good to me.
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 11:06:12 AM

hmmm so it really doesnt pay....
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 11:05:34 AM

Percent increases can be misleading.
Start with a lower number and the percent can be greater.
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 11:04:53 AM

Certainly a disincentive to go green
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 11:02:39 AM

Enjoy Greenies!
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 11:02:19 AM

use less and pay more....doesn't that sound like BIG OIL? HMMM
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Romey08
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 11:00:54 AM

Does not equate nor promote energy conservation.
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 11:00:33 AM

Normal thinking by government thinkers!
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 11:00:29 AM

it has always been that way here but the power itself is not the big part of the cost
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 10:59:25 AM

Its is more complicated that the numbers revile. Yes they got a bigger percentage increase, but they have the back up of the grid incase they need the energy. As for paying for green energy it costs what it costs, ether you want green or you do not! The question of source for energy will continue to change.
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 10:59:01 AM

This is just a quantity discount: Use more, pay a lower rate per unit. But it does seem to be punishing those who strive to conserve energy!
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