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New research shows additional damage from E15

GasBuddy Blog -- A new research report out from the Coordinating Research Council (CRC) contests that EPA's approval of gasoline containing as much as 15% ethanol (E15) was "irresponsible" and does more damage to vehicles than EPA admits.

Use of the ethanol gasoline blend E15 may endanger fuel systems in millions of 2001 and newer vehicles, API Group Director of Downstream and Industry Operations Bob Greco said last week, citing newly completed research by the Coordinating Research Council, an organization created and supported by the oil and auto industries.

Greco said that automobile manufacturers have told Congress that vehicle warranties will not cover damage due to E15 and that half of all retail station equipment in the country is...


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moose21040
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 11:00:54 AM

10% of ethanol already gums up 2 cycle engines
honda0105
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Message Posted: Feb 8, 2013 6:03:49 AM

duh! And how much money was spent on the research?
FOM_Kompressor
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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 9:21:07 AM

Any surprised by this news, please stand on your head.
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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 12:04:32 AM

its about time!
toolman3md
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 6:02:23 PM

I'll stick with my TDI and avoid the problem.
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 3:11:48 PM

And the lawyers are the winners.
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 2:28:41 PM

So make no more...
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 2:19:04 PM

Need to quit making this stuff.
rx7racerca
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 2:15:34 PM

gvan: "'........Coordinating Research Council, an organization created and supported by the oil and auto industries.'

What other result would you expect from an organization supported by the oil industry?"

Perhaps, but the auto industry, despite frequent suggestions to the contrary, has no particular alliance to the oil industry - their concern is that their products are going to fail prematurely, and they will end up liable for safety-related repairs years after the fact for failures caused by materials - E15, for example, for which their vehicles weren't designed. It is well known ethanol is not compatible with many of the materials commonly used in vehicles for fuel storage and delivery, including rubber, aluminum, and some plastics.
gvan
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 2:08:26 PM

"........Coordinating Research Council, an organization created and supported by the oil and auto industries."

What other result would you expect from an organization supported by the oil industry?
SpankyMI
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 2:05:23 PM

Who will be found guilty the EPA or the gasoline dealers (or corn farmers) when this mess ends up in court?
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Ban ethanol. While you're at it, ban fracking also.
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 2:02:41 PM

Wish they would quit adding ethanol to gasoline so cars would be more fuel efficient.
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 2:01:07 PM

Tell me something I don't already know.
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 2:00:27 PM

This is crazy..
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 1:59:58 PM

ok
Lbro
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 1:57:56 PM

Ran E-30 (my blend) for years on a 1994 Nissan Sentra- when the TRANNY blew at 318,000mi the engine was still hummming along! Tell me it hurts engines! Never had a bit of problems with the fuel system except a burned out injector, a normal mantanence item!
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 1:50:17 PM

Alcohol added to moving metal, now that's a brilliant move.
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 1:50:10 PM

Yep, no surprise
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 1:45:23 PM

what were the results on automobiles designed to operate in the USA with our E15 and emissions standards and not some thingy imported from China that has been retrofitted to work here ? In other words, what vehicles were used in the expanded testing ?
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 1:43:15 PM

E-10 and E-15 get less MPG and are hard on engines!
pinofl
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 1:42:00 PM

ok
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 1:40:32 PM

Not interested in using E15. I have a new car and do not need it damaged...
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 1:39:52 PM

No surprise here, common sense dictates what so called 'Research' stated.
Who'd paying for these idiotic researches?
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 1:39:18 PM

bad stuff, but the politicians need the corn belt vote
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 1:38:45 PM

Get rid of all ethanol.
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 1:38:14 PM

Eliminate ethanol and dump the unelected epa!!!!!!!!!!
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 1:37:04 PM

Big surprise.
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 1:37:00 PM

I think we can find a better solution
retbpd
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 1:34:42 PM

So what do we do not drive our cars? That'll show them. We are at the mercy of a government that is indifferent to the comsumer and big buisness that only cares about profit.
tomok
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 1:34:00 PM

New research shows additional damage from E15! What almost everybody has known for a long time now. The Cordinating Research Council (CRC) knows what they are talking about, the EPA on the other hand has no clue what they are doing to the citizens and vehicles of the US and making the rest of the country do what should NOT be done. Somebody has to stop this ethanol crap in gasoline, Sneeky certainly isn't going to do anything about it.
NO FUEL FROM FOOD!
NO *E-5, *E-10, *E-15 OR *E-100 –> ONLY 'E-0' fuel is Allowed!
Drives vehicles with high MPG, are very safe, reliable, have a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money.
The price of fuel at the pump is too high!
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 1:33:02 PM

Yesterdays news.
bmxstud
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 1:30:50 PM

That blows. =[
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 1:23:17 PM

Is there something else we don't know. If not, they need to repeal the RFS.
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 1:21:04 PM

Is anyone really surprised?
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 1:20:44 PM

Glad I drive a diesel.
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 1:18:14 PM

No surprise
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 1:18:09 PM

Old news
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 1:17:55 PM

We all know this but yet nothing is done to stop the use of ethanol in our fuels.
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 1:17:27 PM

duh no kidding
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The mega-farmers lobby rolls on!
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Its a lost cause
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 1:13:41 PM

Not good news.
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Should be banned outright.
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 1:09:26 PM

Please stop putting food into my gas tank . . . .
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 1:01:27 PM

My mechanic told me about Ethanol a long time ago.
MKAnudo
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Keep trying.
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Corn is for eati'n and drinki'n. Gasoline is for burni'n only.
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 12:58:40 PM

My car specifically does not allow E15 in the tank.
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we need other alternatives
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Time to end ethanol use.
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