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Report says China is squeezing U.S. firms out of its massive

Dallas News -- WASHINGTON – U.S. companies are getting squeezed out of the big Chinese wind-power market even as Dallas investors are bringing Chinese firms here via a big wind farm in Texas, according to a new industry report.

"They've used every measure you could possibly think of to enhance production of renewable energy equipment in China," said report author Alan Wolff of the trade law firm Dewey & LeBoeuf LLP.

U.S. Trade Representative Ron Kirk won a pledge from the Chinese last fall to drop rules giving preference to Chinese makers of wind-power equipment. But Kirk's office hasn't seen any evidence that the pledge has been carried out, said spokeswoman Carol Guthrie.

Meanwhile, Chinese manufacturers are entering the U.S. wind market under a joint venture led by Dallas investor Cappy McGarr.

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Submitted Mar 21, 2010 By: LetemEatCake

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I10Express Champion Author San Antonio Posts:3,710 Points:663,320 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 11:39:13 AM Ignore I10Express Report Abuse We complain because the product is not domestic. We complain the domestic product costs too much. We complain wages are not high enough. We complain that people are laid off when cheaper automation can do the same work. I'm starting to see a pattern.
HawaiianGuy Champion Author Idaho Posts:4,601 Points:2,112,445 Joined:May 2003	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 11:38:19 AM Ignore HawaiianGuy Report Abuse dlr17, great post. Let me also add that we have exported hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of jobs to them. We need to retaliate.
emptytank08 All-Star Author Pennsylvania Posts:566 Points:610,660 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 11:36:09 AM Ignore emptytank08 Report Abuse Made in China (BUY AMERICAN)
DirtDauber Champion Author San Antonio Posts:1,835 Points:653,720 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 11:34:59 AM Ignore DirtDauber Report Abuse "If the shoe fits, wear it."
unicornpmb Champion Author Buffalo Posts:3,532 Points:652,175 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 11:34:40 AM Ignore unicornpmb Report Abuse I have to agree with dir17
BWD Champion Author Charleston Posts:2,417 Points:1,618,860 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 11:34:38 AM Ignore BWD Report Abuse Sounds like it will someday be China of USA.
mooneagle Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:3,816 Points:784,190 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 11:34:35 AM Ignore mooneagle Report Abuse amen dlr17 you got that right
yukonjack Champion Author Georgia Posts:4,399 Points:1,141,170 Joined:Oct 2004	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 11:32:23 AM Ignore yukonjack Report Abuse dlr17 - well said.
repeater1 Champion Author Kansas Posts:3,457 Points:1,404,345 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 11:32:01 AM Ignore repeater1 Report Abuse And why would this surprise anyone? China is going to take care of themselves and just use us for their own needs.
LittleBlueCarNY Champion Author Albany Posts:1,147 Points:552,730 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 11:31:39 AM Ignore LittleBlueCarNY Report Abuse Naturally.
dlr17 Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:2,702 Points:484,620 Joined:Aug 2003	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 11:30:41 AM Ignore dlr17 Report Abuse The Chinese are protecting and supporting their own industrial companies. It worked for Japan. It will work for China. The U.S. won't do that, because we are too concerned with short-term profits and not concerned with long-term survival of the companies. Look where it has gotten us. We give our technology away to other countries, then buy their products with the technology we gave them, because they are cheaper than the domestic products we developed. Our country is nearly bankrupt now because of it.
pdcarver Champion Author San Diego Posts:1,284 Points:245,595 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 11:30:15 AM Ignore pdcarver Report Abuse china makes crap
mickealo Champion Author Spokane Posts:1,471 Points:1,213,370 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 11:29:47 AM Ignore mickealo Report Abuse why not everything else is made in China
DrivingFool2 Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:3,487 Points:648,765 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 11:25:25 AM Ignore DrivingFool2 Report Abuse Made in China
jakTDI Champion Author Dallas Posts:3,555 Points:362,055 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 11:23:00 AM Ignore jakTDI Report Abuse any one playing the wind game in TX is a gambler anyway. the wind tunnel area of the state is about 350 miles from anything. that's a whole lotta transmission line to try and get power down. by the time it gets to the trans. center, the line loss is tremendous. pretty close to an event-only power source for usage. not entirely smart.
baitmn Champion Author New Orleans Posts:4,013 Points:1,130,000 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 11:21:47 AM Ignore baitmn Report Abuse just wait and watch your back.
bbreff Champion Author Atlanta Posts:5,177 Points:1,639,305 Joined:Jun 2005	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 11:21:30 AM Ignore bbreff Report Abuse Are there any US firms that make the windmills?
rocket_ron Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:1,413 Points:1,040,965 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 11:20:31 AM Ignore rocket_ron Report Abuse Why not, Everything else is made there.
jakTDI Champion Author Dallas Posts:3,555 Points:362,055 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 11:18:09 AM Ignore jakTDI Report Abuse and now Ron is gonna bring the same intelligence to US Trade Dept. acty. just duck, until he quits or resigns.
jakTDI Champion Author Dallas Posts:3,555 Points:362,055 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 11:17:04 AM Ignore jakTDI Report Abuse really, Ron thought you could get the olympics to Dallas in the summer...
04tang Champion Author Ohio Posts:1,797 Points:389,410 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 11:17:00 AM Ignore 04tang Report Abuse I would like to see more wind-power on the US market, even if it is Chinese.
jakTDI Champion Author Dallas Posts:3,555 Points:362,055 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 11:16:04 AM Ignore jakTDI Report Abuse the first hint of trouble in Ron Kirk--aka Ron Krook. he nearly bank-rupted Dallas in a bid for the Olympics, really.
Diesel_Ram Champion Author Dallas Posts:1,713 Points:555,950 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 11:16:00 AM Ignore Diesel_Ram Report Abuse Not really surprised by this. China is big into anything that's making money. They have the capital to do it.
fedex09 All-Star Author Missouri Posts:605 Points:656,035 Joined:Jan 2006	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 11:14:18 AM Ignore fedex09 Report Abuse Business as usual for China.
VetteBlue Champion Author San Jose Posts:5,491 Points:1,122,560 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 11:12:45 AM Ignore VetteBlue Report Abuse After the US squeezing out the rest of the world, why not?
rasprout Champion Author Tacoma Posts:1,516 Points:388,520 Joined:Jun 2009	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 11:12:42 AM Ignore rasprout Report Abuse Time for some isolation... Get rid of the foreigners
adr47 Champion Author Saskatchewan Posts:2,406 Points:539,495 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 11:11:01 AM Ignore adr47 Report Abuse They got a head start. While too many Yanks were happy to stick with Big Oil.
ronsimonil All-Star Author Illinois Posts:718 Points:152,595 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 11:08:36 AM Ignore ronsimonil Report Abuse Time for America to take of America.
pgerassi Champion Author Milwaukee Posts:5,962 Points:1,170,245 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 11:07:49 AM Ignore pgerassi Report Abuse Stop allowing imports of Chinese wind power equipment due to suspected toxics in its construction.
katiejayWV Champion Author West Virginia Posts:1,265 Points:382,335 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 11:07:37 AM Ignore katiejayWV Report Abuse This is another example of how dumb Americans are. We believe what they say, and are shocked by what they do. Just look at Obama.
twiper1 Champion Author San Diego Posts:2,941 Points:631,120 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 11:07:26 AM Ignore twiper1 Report Abuse Their products are cheaper, but you get whatyou pay for
gabbygusIN Champion Author Indiana Posts:2,375 Points:597,100 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 11:07:03 AM Ignore gabbygusIN Report Abuse This is why China is becoming a World Leader!
playtimeCLE Champion Author Cleveland Posts:3,200 Points:594,685 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 11:05:17 AM Ignore playtimeCLE Report Abuse The Chinese Won is worth one eighth of what a dollar is worth. So its plenty cheaper to buy from them.
uglytom Champion Author Florida Posts:3,116 Points:682,140 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 11:05:09 AM Ignore uglytom Report Abuse Plenty of US makers to buy from! Let China buy Chinese!
fleurdelz Rookie Author Rochester Posts:69 Points:14,230 Joined:Mar 2010	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 10:57:44 AM Ignore fleurdelz Report Abuse The question is, if we stop buying cheap stuff from China, whose loss it's going to be: ours or theirs? Are we ready for price inflations, even if temporary?
mark1962 Champion Author Albany Posts:1,521 Points:330,695 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 10:57:06 AM Ignore mark1962 Report Abuse No supprise there!
DeepInOhio Champion Author Ohio Posts:1,939 Points:630,310 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 10:56:35 AM Ignore DeepInOhio Report Abuse I know, first hand, what China has done to the Steel Industry. So I am not shocked at this at all.
zippy452 Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:4,179 Points:829,735 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 10:55:52 AM Ignore zippy452 Report Abuse Why would we ever trust China?
Gerardtd Veteran Author Toronto Posts:358 Points:173,965 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 10:55:04 AM Ignore Gerardtd Report Abuse They will own U.S. in a blink of an eye.
greysquirrel Sophomore Author Cincinnati Posts:187 Points:55,925 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 10:53:36 AM Ignore greysquirrel Report Abuse We should be able to produce for ourselves. Keep the jobs here.
tankneverfull Champion Author Charlotte Posts:4,237 Points:829,495 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 10:53:21 AM Ignore tankneverfull Report Abuse We still want to argue about it, what do you think was going to happen?
Ticoman54 Champion Author Miami Posts:2,611 Points:586,195 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 10:53:00 AM Ignore Ticoman54 Report Abuse Not surprising.
SpaceAce5 Veteran Author South Dakota Posts:300 Points:66,245 Joined:Feb 2010	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 10:52:12 AM Ignore SpaceAce5 Report Abuse can't we all just get along?
eddyp94 Champion Author Ontario Posts:4,171 Points:871,385 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 10:52:11 AM Ignore eddyp94 Report Abuse stop buying things from china, and see how they like it...
tbgasmizer Champion Author Ontario Posts:1,289 Points:292,105 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 10:48:14 AM Ignore tbgasmizer Report Abuse lets keep the work in North America.
Houckster Champion Author Atlanta Posts:6,534 Points:631,605 Joined:Sep 2003	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 10:47:25 AM Ignore Houckster Report Abuse PRICECHECKER08 writes: Are we such a bad shape we can,t do are own, instead of giving a foreign country our money to do what we should be doing our self. _____ I'm going to introduce a little reality here. First, one of the reasons that Chinese equipment is being used is that US capacity is low in regard to the demand for wind turbines. GE, our principle manufacturer, is about a year behind in meeting demand. Second, the Chinese government and industry work more closely together (Japan is also an example) so they are able to reach priorities more quickly than we are. When you combine this kind of cooperation with a huge amount of dollars that we ship to the Chinese for just about everything in the consumer sector, you're going to get results. In the US, in many people's minds, if the government and the private sector work together, you have SOCIALISM. And we can't have that because we will all turn instantly into mindless zombies who immediately look to government for instructions. The merits of the particular case mean nothing: if you have socialism in any way it is bad. Period. NIAOB. The age where government and industry work more closely together to achieve national goals is upon on. Really it has been here for some time. It's just that we've refused to recognize it. We think that pure capitalism is superior to anything else but it isn't. And the Chinese are proving it to us every day. The first step is for us is to break away from the values and principles BS we've bogged ourselves down in and remember adherence to pragmatism is what made this country successful. And we'd better get our act together sooner rather than later. Second, we have to kick out the values bozos and put people in who look to the facts and to bipartisan cooperation.
TestRocket All-Star Author Alabama Posts:535 Points:562,080 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 10:44:46 AM Ignore TestRocket Report Abuse Yea, and China will be drilling for oil in the Gulf of Mexico too!
THEDodgeman Champion Author Denver Posts:3,068 Points:972,215 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 10:43:53 AM Ignore THEDodgeman Report Abuse CHINA OWNS MOST OF THE PLANET....WHAT ARE THEY WINEING ABOUT.
Joeski1 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:3,831 Points:764,455 Joined:Dec 2004	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 10:40:29 AM Ignore Joeski1 Report Abuse that's the country we belong to. without china buying our debt... and suppling our consumer goods... the USA is economically done in a week. okay maybe a month. think about it and tell me I'm wrong.
ndhoanggia All-Star Author New York Posts:696 Points:215,505 Joined:Apr 2009	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 10:40:28 AM Ignore ndhoanggia Report Abuse spruceguse2, really? check your sources
ljmatney Champion Author Wichita Posts:4,024 Points:565,120 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 10:39:07 AM Ignore ljmatney Report Abuse Be responsible and buy American. Read the labels of what ever you buy. We need to save our own jobs.
NashGas All-Star Author Nashville Posts:654 Points:140,730 Joined:Dec 2009	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 10:37:58 AM Ignore NashGas Report Abuse that's China.