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CampKohler

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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 10:46:42 PM

Rather than have GB decide what fuel and grade price fields should be used for a given area, suppose GB offered a System Fuel Price field menu that would contain every type of fuel and grade known to exist. The locals could then choose which fuel types would be available at the site for a Local Fuel Price field menu, perhaps by those with 100K points or more. Once a fuel grade was chosen for the LPF menu, it would take three 100K-point members to remove it to lessen the chance of erasing valuable stats. That sets up the site.

The LFP menu would then be used by 10K-point members to choose which fuel and grade would apply to each station in the MSL. It would take three 100K-point members to delete a fuel and grade from a station, which would be done by request in the local discussion group. That sets up the stations.

A member could then use the MSL to populate his FSL only with automatically-applicable fuel grades. As an alternative, any member could use Report A Price or Add a Station with the SFP to report/add a station with any fuel description without affecting the system for other members.

Report A Price with either the LPF or SPF (both should be offered) could be used to report any fuel/grade independent of the FSL/MSL if desired.

This allows strict control of the fuels and grades for everyday use, but any member could deviate from the control at will, which is in compliance with a long-ago stated policy of not requiring mandatory use of the MSL.
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GoGoGoodyear
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Message Posted: Jun 26, 2012 1:57:41 AM


This seems much too complicated and unneccessary. The three gasoline grades + diesel cover a large majority of the motor fuels sold in North and South America.

There may come a time in the not-too-distant future when GB will find they need/want to report on other types of motor fuel as they become more common, such as natural gas, and the web site will adapt then.

I would rather see resources put toward solving the dual price or credit/cash reporting problem and the problem of posting the price of non-existing grades.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Jun 25, 2012 3:00:22 PM

Barring an entire rewrite to the existing posting options (three gas prices and a diesel price), you're essentially suggesting, if I understand it, a line of "fill-in-the-blank" boxes. Members, posting fuel prices, can enter in any and all of the boxes, including (if I understand the suggestion correctly), the price for non-ethanol fuel (for multiple octanes), ethanol-blended fuel (for multiple octanes), Barring an entire rewrite to the existing posting options (three gas prices and a diesel price), you're essentially suggesting, if I understand it, a line of "fill-in-the-blank" boxes. Members, posting fuel prices, can enter in any and all of the boxes, including (if I understand the suggestion correctly), the price for non-ethanol fuel (for multiple octanes), ethanol-blended fuel (for multiple octanes), Barring an entire rewrite to the existing posting options (three gas prices and a diesel price), you're essentially suggesting, if I understand it, a line of "fill-in-the-blank" boxes. Members, posting fuel prices, can enter in any and all of the boxes, including (if I understand the suggestion correctly), the price for non-ethanol fuel (for multiple octanes), ethanol-blended fuel (for multiple octanes), compressed natural gas (CNG), liquefied petroleum gas (LPG), or hydrogen, as well as diesel, along with (your words) "every type of fuel and grade known to exist, as well as every possible pricing option. Your suggested pricing options, I assume, would therefore include cash price for each and ever fuel option, credit price for each and every fuel option, debit card price (which, in some areas or for some brands, such as ARCO, includes a surcharge), price with a car wash and price without a car wash; price with a (for example) Kroger's or Winn-Dixie Gas Perks card, the Shell "5 cent per gallon discount" on Wednesdays or Thursdays (varies in different locales), and so on. And you haven't, since you said "every possible pricing option", the need to include the multiple discounts or cash backs, or frequent flyer miles awarded, etc., for using various cards.

First, that's one heckuva lot of boxes that could be filled, just to the possible one or two members of Gas Buddy that might want to fill in the price, and not feel left out.
Second, and while I understand that there may be a number of people who use different or alternative fuels, in the overall scheme of things, I don't believe there are that many that don't use their local octane grade of petroleum or diesel. In other words, consider me as thinking that Gas Buddy doesn't need to be absolutely everything for all things for absolutely everyone.

Third, the last thing I would want is to for a bunch of local yahoos (my word, no one else's) being able to change the dynamics and the structure of the website just because they have a bunch of points. I realize that the moderators may be slow to make changes, but I think that better adds to the integrity of the websites than every local Gas Buddy website being different. For example, why should each of the DC metro Gas Buddy websites, DC-Maryland-Virginia, be different? As said below, there would be, to me, a lot of chaos.

To me, I'd keep it simple. First, in order to keep the size of the "box line" reasonable", and because relatively few use mid-grade octane, I would offer boxes for the following:
Cash price regular grade
credit price regular grade
Cash price premium grade
Credit price premium grade
Cash price diesel
Credit price diesel
And, if you think it appropriate, cash and credit price boxes for regular non-ethanol.

That, to me, should satisfy well over 95 percent of most Gas Buddy members' purchasing. Just because isolated members think the price of electricity or vegetable oil should be listed because either they or someone they know or someone they read about uses that, doesn't mean that it needs to be posted independently.

The comments block (which should be below the pricing line) could indicate if there's a discount for membership, using a certain card, car wash, etc. If there are local pricing issues, and there well may be, there's no reason that a discussion topic couldn't be created for local members to follow or contribute to.

My opinion: In order to keep the website useful, keep it as simple as possible. While it may not satisfy the wants, needs, or desires of every current or future member of Gas Buddy, it will come close to meeting the needs of an overwhelmning majority.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Jun 25, 2012 6:41:24 AM

Nice idea but I can see total chaos. There are really three standard grades plus diesel. All the other grades vary in availability across the country and Canada.

If the grade of gas is tied to the MSL, your idea might work.
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