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pinbuster2005 Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:3,936 Points:992,750 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Apr 27, 2007 3:39:35 AM Ignore pinbuster2005 Report Abuse The way I see it is the best way to bring prices down is if people would stop wasting gas. mainly ideling when they don't need to that wastes more gas than almost anything else. there are a lot of people that do this regardless of what kind of automobile they drive and here are a few things i've noticed of unneeded ideling. 1. people warming up or cooling off their automobile for 15 - 20 min before they leave. Many people feel they need to warm their automobile in the winter to let the defroster clear the windsheild or let the AC run cool it off in the summer before they get into it. in the winter just SCRAPE your windsheild off and maybe let it run for a min or two just to get the oil moving before you take off and drive the first few miles a little more gently. While your at work during the day park in the sunniest spot in the winter it will help keep the inside of the automobile a little warmer. In the summer park in the shaddiest spot and keep the windows open a little bit for airflow and it will keep your the inside a little cooler. 2.ideling while sitting in the drivethru at the bank or fast food joint just yesturday when i went to the bank someone pulled into the bank driveway just infront of me they went to the drivethru while i parked and went inside they were the sixth car back in line. When I came out the person that went to the drivethru was still inline waiting but they were now the forth car back. and I was in the bank for 10 min. and they were ideling their car while sitting there I know because the drivethru lane goes right by the door to go inside. I've seen the same thing at the fast food spaces where i've gone inside got my order and left while the car that drove in right infront of me was still in the drivethru line.if the lines are that slow shut your moter off or park and go inside if your not to lazy and you'll save gas. 3. Ideling your automobile while at the store doing your shopping. This i've seen many times weather it's a c-store or a supermarket people leaving there automobiles running with either the AC going in the summer or the heater going in the winter while they do their shopping because they don't want their automobile getting a few degrees warmer/colder then they like. you just had the moter running it won't take very long to bring the automobile back to your desired temp if you turn it off while your shopping I don't care if it's 2 or 20 min or more. 4. one more people driving around a parking lot for 20 min waiting for a close parking spot to open up. The store I work at we have to go outside to smoke and i've seen it many times were people have driven around the parking lot the whole 15 min of my break looking for a close parking spot. if the people that did things like this regardless of what they drive stopped doing them we would greatly cut the amount of fuel we use and bring prices down. but I still say we need other sorces but in the mean time let's get the people that like to waste like this to stop and then it might help a little.

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The way I see it is the best way to bring prices down is if people would stop wasting gas. mainly ideling when they don't need to that wastes more gas than almost anything else. there are a lot of people that do this regardless of what kind of automobile they drive and here are a few things i've noticed of unneeded ideling.
1. people warming up or cooling off their automobile for 15 - 20 min before they leave.
Many people feel they need to warm their automobile in the winter to let the defroster clear the windsheild or let the AC run cool it off in the summer before they get into it. in the winter just SCRAPE your windsheild off and maybe let it run for a min or two just to get the oil moving before you take off and drive the first few miles a little more gently. While your at work during the day park in the sunniest spot in the winter it will help keep the inside of the automobile a little warmer. In the summer park in the shaddiest spot and keep the windows open a little bit for airflow and it will keep your the inside a little cooler.

2.ideling while sitting in the drivethru at the bank or fast food joint just yesturday when i went to the bank someone pulled into the bank driveway just infront of me they went to the drivethru while i parked and went inside they were the sixth car back in line. When I came out the person that went to the drivethru was still inline waiting but they were now the forth car back. and I was in the bank for 10 min. and they were ideling their car while sitting there I know because the drivethru lane goes right by the door to go inside. I've seen the same thing at the fast food spaces where i've gone inside got my order and left while the car that drove in right infront of me was still in the drivethru line.if the lines are that slow shut your moter off or park and go inside if your not to lazy and you'll save gas.

3. Ideling your automobile while at the store doing your shopping. This i've seen many times weather it's a c-store or a supermarket people leaving there automobiles running with either the AC going in the summer or the heater going in the winter while they do their shopping because they don't want their automobile getting a few degrees warmer/colder then they like. you just had the moter running it won't take very long to bring the automobile back to your desired temp if you turn it off while your shopping I don't care if it's 2 or 20 min or more.

4. one more people driving around a parking lot for 20 min waiting for a close parking spot to open up. The store I work at we have to go outside to smoke and i've seen it many times were people have driven around the parking lot the whole 15 min of my break looking for a close parking spot.

if the people that did things like this regardless of what they drive stopped doing them we would greatly cut the amount of fuel we use and bring prices down. but I still say we need other sorces but in the mean time let's get the people that like to waste like this to stop and then it might help a little.

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CC Moderator	Message Posted: Aug 27, 2009 11:13:46 AM Ignore CC Report Abuse Please do not bump old, inactive topics. If a topic has been dead for two months or more, please do not post in it.
masonco Champion Author Michigan Posts:8,728 Points:1,043,085 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Aug 27, 2009 7:32:09 AM Ignore masonco Report Abuse Wait til all these electric cars start using up the power in our electric grids. I expect brown outs and greatly increased electric rates. :( Meanwhile, thanks for the reminders.
pinbuster2005 Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:3,936 Points:992,750 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Aug 27, 2009 3:41:44 AM Ignore pinbuster2005 Report Abuse Masonco - I'm not sure if the bumping rule effects your own topic or not but I figured why start a new topic when the old one works just as well. mikerock - Yes I know I spelt idling wrong. Sorry teach I made a mistake. Versa808 - I can agree with you partly as well. But the thing is if people wouldn't do these things it would save them money in the long run. Also a lot of the people that do these things are the ones complaining about the price of gas and also that their automobile doesn't get the fuel mileage that was on the stickers.
Versa808 Champion Author Honolulu Posts:6,065 Points:1,203,090 Joined:Feb 2007	Message Posted: Aug 27, 2009 1:18:44 AM Ignore Versa808 Report Abuse No! I partly disagree. Gas prices and the price of a barrel of oil is caused by world markets. High demand from fastest growing countries like China and India will cause the prices to go up. Supply will be the same if the refineries and the oil wells can't keep up with the high load demand.
mreiff Champion Author Louisville Posts:1,613 Points:362,195 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Aug 26, 2009 1:06:21 PM Ignore mreiff Report Abuse Not only does not idling, i.e., park and go inside, save gas and pollution, it provides much needed exercise that most Americans don't get, causing the US to be the fatest nation in the world. In my neighborhood it is even worse; parents that drive their kids to the bus stop, 2 or 3 houses down the street, then sit in the car idling waiting for the bus to come pick up Johnny.
HotRod10 Champion Author Wyoming Posts:1,338 Points:25,530 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: Aug 26, 2009 11:24:57 AM Ignore HotRod10 Report Abuse It's even more irrelevant than it was a year ago.
masonco Champion Author Michigan Posts:8,728 Points:1,043,085 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Aug 26, 2009 7:35:08 AM Ignore masonco Report Abuse Isn't there a rule against bumping up old topics? Of course it is your thread, so that might make a difference.
pinbuster2005 Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:3,936 Points:992,750 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Aug 26, 2009 5:01:24 AM Ignore pinbuster2005 Report Abuse I know this topic has been dead for over a year but I wanted to reopen it because since gas has comedown from it's $4+ a gal high last year people are starting to get back into these habits and it's time to spread the word around again.
BroncoFans Champion Author Utah Posts:4,601 Points:938,545 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Aug 11, 2008 7:22:43 AM Ignore BroncoFans Report Abuse I HAVE NOT DONE THIS IN OVER 16 YEARS...
pinbuster2005 Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:3,936 Points:992,750 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Aug 11, 2008 5:20:35 AM Ignore pinbuster2005 Report Abuse jjewell - You have a point. But why not keep as much money in your own pocket as you can? I've driven my 2001 f-150 the way i've described since I got it brand new in sep 2001 and now it has 201,000+ miles and still runs like it did when I bought it. As well as doing the regular maintenence I think not doing excessive idling is part of what has kept it going so well for so long. And by the way I also still get an average of 19-20 mpg.
jjewell Champion Author Spokane Posts:7,048 Points:746,770 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Aug 9, 2008 5:59:53 AM Ignore jjewell Report Abuse Prices will go down as demand and on prices of oil barrels. Idling will save you some in the long run but isnt going to be your savior.
tomok Champion Author Portland Posts:18,274 Points:1,364,110 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Aug 9, 2008 5:59:47 AM Ignore tomok Report Abuse limited idling, lots of coasting to stop signs and lights AND on hills, engine is started and runs while coasting down the driveway - drive off slowly until warmed up, park as soon as possible in parking lots - make a decision where to park and walk into the store, AC is not used - open the window for ventilation.
goldieolds Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:3,317 Points:606,570 Joined:Sep 2007	Message Posted: Aug 9, 2008 4:23:04 AM Ignore goldieolds Report Abuse BrownieOH says: "I don't know about you but, I'm not going to sit in 100 degree heat with 100% humidity and idle while the sweat runs off of me just to save a little bit of fuel. I'll conserve in other ways like driving slower and consolidating trips." Is it possible that in at least some of those instances you could go inside instead of sitting out in your running car? As I have said, it is not only about conserving gasoline, but also about forcing other people to breath in your car's exhaust fumes and polluted air.
poniesexpress Sophomore Author Pennsylvania Posts:139 Points:27,710 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Aug 9, 2008 12:23:59 AM Ignore poniesexpress Report Abuse have been following the advise, since prices shot up
gastoll Champion Author San Diego Posts:5,609 Points:864,000 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Aug 8, 2008 8:58:16 PM Ignore gastoll Report Abuse Been doing that
coffeerage Champion Author Las Vegas Posts:1,174 Points:179,075 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Aug 8, 2008 6:58:00 PM Ignore coffeerage Report Abuse don't forget to inflate your tires too, right barack?
brownieOH Champion Author Ohio Posts:2,306 Points:260,020 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Aug 8, 2008 1:57:36 PM Ignore brownieOH Report Abuse I don't know about you but, I'm not going to sit in 100 degree heat with 100% humidity and idle while the sweat runs off of me just to save a little bit of fuel. I'll conserve in other ways like driving slower and consolidating trips.
SHIRL4U2000 Rookie Author Florida Posts:9 Points:14,005 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Aug 8, 2008 9:08:35 AM Ignore SHIRL4U2000 Report Abuse Personally, I reduced my speed along with using my car only on a have to basis. I have put my car on cruise control no more than 65mph while traveling back and forth to work. no more 80mph for me.
goldieolds Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:3,317 Points:606,570 Joined:Sep 2007	Message Posted: Aug 8, 2008 8:41:39 AM Ignore goldieolds Report Abuse pinbuster2005 - I know what you mean. IMHO those fall into the SELFISH category. People who do things because "they can" without any regard for others. Maybe with a little education and peer pressure, some of them will "wake up". I have seen people in parking lots with their seats reclined back, sleeping, with the car running. That one seems a little dangerous as well. Another one is to keep the radio or (other player) playing. I wonder if those folks know they can turn their engines off and play it off the battery. Other situations include picking up or dropping off passengers, including kids at school. I've been out walking and seen people leave their cars running and get out and go into the school, in addition to those who just wait out front in idling cars.
pinbuster2005 Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:3,936 Points:992,750 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Aug 8, 2008 4:49:10 AM Ignore pinbuster2005 Report Abuse Goldie - I agree with you. The problem is that there are people that feel they can't let their automobile get a few degrees warmer/colder (depending on the time of year) than they like. So they leave their automobile idling with the heater or A/C on so it stays just the way they like it and it doesn't matter if they are in the store for 3 min at the c-store or an hour at the supermarket they are still going to do it. [Edited by: pinbuster2005 at 8/8/2008 4:50:28 AM EST]
billsandi Champion Author Lexington Posts:7,572 Points:1,408,225 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Aug 8, 2008 12:28:36 AM Ignore billsandi Report Abuse Yeah! And inflate your tires, too!
comet63 Champion Author Long Island Posts:7,589 Points:522,250 Joined:Mar 2007	Message Posted: Aug 8, 2008 12:16:21 AM Ignore comet63 Report Abuse I dont idle anymore
sluggopyle Champion Author North Carolina Posts:15,479 Points:953,145 Joined:Dec 2005	Message Posted: Aug 7, 2008 10:32:25 AM Ignore sluggopyle Report Abuse Careful Flex- you can tease but they can tase. Goldie I like the way you think. It seems a lot of people just sleepwalk through their whole driving experience.
FLEX2008 Veteran Author Kentucky Posts:280 Points:62,575 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Aug 7, 2008 10:05:56 AM Ignore FLEX2008 Report Abuse talk to the cops about this one..i tease them all the time...about wasting my tax money on their cruisers to have them sitting there running. if its a freakin v8 in there your burning a ton...plus they like to floor it anyways...their still capable of catching most people.
goldieolds Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:3,317 Points:606,570 Joined:Sep 2007	Message Posted: Aug 7, 2008 7:37:48 AM Ignore goldieolds Report Abuse Yes, yes, yes! Not only does it waste fuel, but it pollutes the air the rest of us have to breath. I really hate having to breath the fumes of a vehicle idling in front of a store or other building. Especially bad for people with any kind of respiratory issues. People who would never think of forcing others to partake of their bodily wastes, routinely force people to breath in their auto's waste. It is SELFISH, SELFISH, SELFISH!
DellDude2 Champion Author Nashville Posts:3,974 Points:1,147,710 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Aug 6, 2008 8:14:33 PM Ignore DellDude2 Report Abuse Highly skeptical that idling uses much fuel. Maybe Mythbusters ought to test how much fuel is burned per minute idling, and the average time spent moving versus idling. Complicated set of variables there. P.S. Had an old beater car that it wasn't too reliable. Risk stranding myself if I shut it off away from home. Yeah, it idled a lot!
Jay4Runner Champion Author Oakland Posts:10,068 Points:2,152,655 Joined:Apr 2004	Message Posted: Aug 6, 2008 7:48:02 PM Ignore Jay4Runner Report Abuse Trying to remember the last time I waited at a real drawbridge.... must have been 1972 or somewhere around then.... The true value of the Prius comes to light once again! [Edited by: Jay4Runner at 8/6/2008 7:48:34 PM EST]
SFrye Veteran Author Massachusetts Posts:318 Points:532,425 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Aug 6, 2008 8:06:54 AM Ignore SFrye Report Abuse been doing it and will continue to do it.
BroncoFans Champion Author Utah Posts:4,601 Points:938,545 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Aug 6, 2008 7:22:52 AM Ignore BroncoFans Report Abuse BEEN DOING THIS FOR YEARS...
Whitewolf1960 All-Star Author Albany Posts:597 Points:52,490 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Aug 6, 2008 6:49:50 AM Ignore Whitewolf1960 Report Abuse I think we all waste a lot of gas waiting at flippin' RED LIGHTS!!!!
tlfh46 Champion Author Indiana Posts:9,783 Points:2,171,445 Joined:Jun 2004	Message Posted: Aug 6, 2008 5:10:51 AM Ignore tlfh46 Report Abuse Been doing that.
pinbuster2005 Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:3,936 Points:992,750 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Aug 6, 2008 2:31:59 AM Ignore pinbuster2005 Report Abuse brownieOH - I agree at a railroad crossing shut you engine off untill the last car is about 4 cars away then start back up.
brownieOH Champion Author Ohio Posts:2,306 Points:260,020 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Aug 5, 2008 1:27:37 PM Ignore brownieOH Report Abuse Waiting at RR crossings is another time one could shut off their engines to conserve fuel.
sluggopyle Champion Author North Carolina Posts:15,479 Points:953,145 Joined:Dec 2005	Message Posted: Aug 5, 2008 9:38:38 AM Ignore sluggopyle Report Abuse PB -I'm not certain but I think WG was attempting satire there. Actually he was doing pretty good until that last paragraph. He shoulda quit while he wuz ahead. I've lived in a few places including New England and have yet to see the ice deposit that could be described as "backbreaking", and from what I know of Seattle it would barely ever reach the level of "arm-extending". Last time I was there a light snow came down and it was in the newspapers for the next three days. I guess it is pretty dangerous though. You could theoretically chip off a piece of ice in a sharp shape that would impale you right through the head and bleed to death on the spot. Or something. The point is, start your car only after bleeding to death to avoid unnecessary idling.
pinbuster2005 Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:3,936 Points:992,750 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Aug 5, 2008 5:51:04 AM Ignore pinbuster2005 Report Abuse washgas00200 - First off I'm not promoting mass transit. When my fiancee and I move to the city I work in i'll use my truck or if the weather permits I just may use a bicycle because I do enjoy riding one. As far as scraping the ice off the windows of your automobile i've never had ice on my aitomobile so bad that I couldn't scrape it off. If there is going to be an ice storm during the night i'll put a tarp over my windsheild to solve that problem. By the way your using a computer so you must be rich and famous as well. If your not willing to change your habbits to save some money on fuel than you shouldn't complain about high prices it's as simple as that. That is what i'm trying to help people do with these suggestions is help people increase their fuel economy in their automobiles and maybe save them some cash that may in turn cut demand and lower fuel prices. If you don't want to do that that is fine it's your choice. Also my cummute to work is 27 miles each way if I use the interstate 33 miles each way if I take the back roads. I think that is a bit far to go on a bicycle every day.
pinbuster2005 Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:3,936 Points:992,750 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Aug 5, 2008 4:37:29 AM Ignore pinbuster2005 Report Abuse Good for you JAMNSAX!!!! It's those little things like that that will lower demand and maybe help keep the gas prices on their current downward trend. But even if they don't at least it will help keep more money in your pocket.
JAMNSAX Sophomore Author Charlotte Posts:154 Points:428,850 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Jul 24, 2008 6:25:33 AM Ignore JAMNSAX Report Abuse I MADE ONE SIMPLE ADJUSTMENT TO PUSH MY "SIMPLE" MIND INTO CONSERVE MODE. I CHANGED MY DIGITAL CONSOLE READINGS FROM "TRIP" TO "AVERAGE MPG". I FIND MYSELF TRYING TO INCREASE THAT LITTLE NUMBER ON THE DASH ON A DAILY BASIS. I EVEN WATCH MY TACHOMETER NOW TO INCREASE MY MPG, KEEPING IT UNDER 2000 RPM AS I GO THROUGH THE GEARS. YOU'D BE SURPRISED HOW SOMETHING SO SIMPLE WILL CHANGE YOUR DAILY HABITS. IT IS SIMPLE, BUT EFFECTIVE FOR ME, AT LEAST.
pinbuster2005 Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:3,936 Points:992,750 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Jul 24, 2008 2:12:51 AM Ignore pinbuster2005 Report Abuse Construction areas also if your going to be waiting a long time before your lane of traffic will be let through is another area where you can shut down the engine and save gas insted of idling.
pinbuster2005 Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:3,936 Points:992,750 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Jul 16, 2008 1:36:20 AM Ignore pinbuster2005 Report Abuse deutsch50 - You bring up a good one to with railroad crossings & draw bridges. Any place where you'd be idling for more than a couple of min shut the motor down and save fuel. traumer - maybe we won't bring prices down but at least we can keep more of our money in our pockets insted of the oil companies'.
traumer Champion Author North Dakota Posts:3,057 Points:847,395 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Jul 15, 2008 1:45:00 PM Ignore traumer Report Abuse Nothing we do will bring down gas prices.
tlfh46 Champion Author Indiana Posts:9,783 Points:2,171,445 Joined:Jun 2004	Message Posted: Jul 15, 2008 9:43:19 AM Ignore tlfh46 Report Abuse Done.
Deutsch50 Rookie Author New Jersey Posts:54 Points:440,730 Joined:Aug 2007	Message Posted: Jul 15, 2008 9:01:30 AM Ignore Deutsch50 Report Abuse If you want another place to stop ideling look at the following, turn off your motor when you are stuck at a draw bridge or at a railroad crossing. These delays are usaully long so why tire your foot out standing on the brake pedal. You also burn out your brake light bulbs and end up damaging the cylinders (not the master cylinder) that work your power brakes. I have had these brake cylinders go bad on my car. I am not a heavy braker, but I asked my service center what made these cylinders go bad. He told me what I had thought. Usaully it is the heavy breaker and the heavy pressure you apply to the brake pedal even stopped at the traffic light.
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sluggopyle Champion Author North Carolina Posts:15,479 Points:953,145 Joined:Dec 2005	Message Posted: Jul 15, 2008 7:25:34 AM Ignore sluggopyle Report Abuse I just got a bunch of Shell 5w30 for $1.50/quart. It was on sale (Fred's), but I that's when I pounce.
pinbuster2005 Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:3,936 Points:992,750 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Jul 15, 2008 6:18:32 AM Ignore pinbuster2005 Report Abuse jbsmith - I don't know where your buying your oil. But if your paying $3.50 a quart for regular name brand oil your being ripped off. I only pay about $3.25 a quart for name brand sythetic oil at Wal-Mart. If I remember right the 5-quart bottle of name brand regular oil is only about $10 and single quarts are about $2.25.
pinbuster2005 Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:3,936 Points:992,750 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Jun 27, 2008 6:16:05 AM Ignore pinbuster2005 Report Abuse bugzappers - if your just going to bad mouth a spelling mistake and not contribute to the topic then don't post. People know what was ment and have contributed a lot to this thread. This isn't a spelling test here. jbsmith - I have to agree with HotRod. Unless you have problems with your engine idling shouldn't contaminate your oil.
HotRod10 Champion Author Wyoming Posts:1,338 Points:25,530 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: Jun 26, 2008 10:21:26 AM Ignore HotRod10 Report Abuse Oil contamination? Really? We're really scraping the bottom of the barrel for excuses now. Only cars that have bad cylinder rings contaminate the oil. $3.50 a quart? Just go to walmart where it's still $2. [Edited by: HotRod10 at 6/26/2008 10:23:45 AM EST]
jbsmith Veteran Author Michigan Posts:334 Points:35,830 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Jun 26, 2008 12:44:40 AM Ignore jbsmith Report Abuse thats what i do,,,,more often than not i park and walk in,,and get my order,chow down,,and leave and some of the Same cars are still in line at the drive thru line! Not only does the drive thru waste gas,,idleing an engine for long periods also leads to engine oil contamination! Ever notice that standard name brand engine oil is about $3.50ish per QUART?
bugzappers Champion Author Kentucky Posts:1,013 Points:27,410 Joined:Sep 2007	Message Posted: Jun 25, 2008 10:17:33 PM Ignore bugzappers Report Abuse why is this post alive? ideling? Is that a new word? Or is it like yodeling? Idling . Geat ane dictioneary weth yer neaxt compooter.
HotRod10 Champion Author Wyoming Posts:1,338 Points:25,530 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: Jun 25, 2008 6:20:00 PM Ignore HotRod10 Report Abuse Right on rumbleseat! Don't blame the car companies for making what people want, even though it more than they needed. If the people are acting like sheep and buying whatever the car company makes, then the people will get what they deserve. The smart ones will buy elsewhere, and when enough people get smart and quit buying the overgrown gas guzzlers, the carmaker will adapt or go out of business and be replaced by a more responsive carmaker. It's called capitalism, and it works as long as the government stays out of it. pinbuster, people pay someone else to do the things that aren't worth their time to do or they don't want to do. If someone would rather pay twice as much so they don't have to cut up their broccoli, who cares? Most people buy steaks at the grocery store instead of a side of beef, too. Eliminating drive-thrus may cause more problems than it solves. Without the drive-thru, more parking is needed, which means more asphalt (made from oil) and more land taken up. Bigger parking lots means more spread out cities, which means longer commutes, which means more gas used by people driving to work in the city. So much for saving energy by banning the drive-thru.