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gem1224

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Message Posted: Jun 20, 2011 7:28:03 AM

Why is it everyones answer to gas prices is automatically a hybrid? They're much more expensive and for instance you could get a Honda Civic that gets around 40 mpg and thy Hybrid costs double the amount and only gets 44 mpg please explain the CENTS there.
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purplebears
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Message Posted: Sep 22, 2012 4:56:23 PM

I filled up my Prius today. I used 10.375 gallons and drove 555 miles for an average of 53.49 mpg.
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g747
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Message Posted: Sep 20, 2012 7:48:35 PM

I'm buying a Hybrid @ the end of this year!!!!!!!!!!.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2012 10:56:45 PM

Recycle them. They are far to valuable not to...

The Prius, the best selling hybrid, doesn't use lithium batteries. Toyota uses Nickel Metal-hydride...

[Edited by: Shockjock1961 at 9/3/2012 10:57:55 PM EST]
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Volvodude04
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2012 10:16:03 PM

What do we do with all the used up lithium batteries?
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reb4
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2012 2:52:14 PM

Gee, according to this consumers reports article, the Hybrids do well as far as cost of ownership.

There are plenty of people that hate hybrids, and thats ok... But if you want to save money there are some hybrids that do the job. the Prius C is an example, but there is a demand for them...
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drydem
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2012 9:55:59 AM

ManaKnight14: of conventional gasoline vehicles sofar only a few very expensive luxury vehicles from Germany have stop-start idle technology. Those vehicles are not design for fuel efficiency but are design primarily for luxury - fuel efficiency is not a primary design goal in those vehicles. Stop start idle tech makes the biggest impact when it is integrated into a vehicle that is primarily designed for fuel efficiency.
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drydem
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2012 9:31:23 AM

Right now the hybrid tech has about a $5000 premium over comparable conventional gas vehicles. Hybrids not only have more fuel efficient gas engines, regen brakes and electric motors, but stop-start idle tech which makes it easier to drive more efficiently. Hybrids are easier to drive more fuel efficiently than a conventional gas car. However, with the $5000 premium and with the price of gas about $4 per gallon that means it will take 4 to 10 years to justify a hybrid over a conventional gas vehicle if the only thing you consider is fuel cost.

Because I am hypermiling, my 2010 Prius is getting about 61 mpg. I am saving about $1000/year in fuel cost over my previous vehicle 1990 Honda Accord LX Auto 4door Sedan (22 mpg). I am projecting that my break even point is 5 years but it could be sooner. However, a rise in gas prices and improved hypermiling skills could shorten this break even point. WRT to a comparable conventional gas vehicle to the Prius: I would compare it to a Toyota Matrix (28mpg), Hyundai Elantra Touring(28mpg), Nissan Versa (27 mpg), Chrysler PT Cruiser(22mpg), and a Kia Rondo (24 mpg) where the expected out the door price is about 18000 to 20000.



[Edited by: drydem at 9/2/2012 9:39:55 AM EST]
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reb4
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2012 6:32:05 PM

bought gas today... in my 2010 Prius.

Last tank, 57.3, lifetime, 52.6 (Calculated..).

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reb4
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Message Posted: Aug 21, 2012 11:10:52 PM

anthroMO, I wish i could plug in my prius, but doesn't work that way.

My 2010 Prius since purchased in May of 2010 have average 52.5MPG.

The good news is more companies are offering lower priced options for hybrids so you don't have to purchase the high end model to get a fuel efficient vehicle.
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anthroMO
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Message Posted: Aug 21, 2012 4:27:32 PM

hybrid = 1/2 gas and 12 electric. How much does the gas
cost and how much for the electric plus the hookup time?
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reb4
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Message Posted: Aug 21, 2012 8:38:57 AM

The C-Max is a much smaller vehicle than the Escape. Ford is indicating it's competing against the Prius - V but is significantly smaller and is only slightly larger than the regular Prius.

I applaud Ford for making a commitment to Hybrid technology, At least with releasing new vehicle offerings... I would like to see them show their commitment by selling more of them...

Consumers need to look at the vehicles and compare them selves. And since this is 1st model year, with a lot of new technology... I would not be 1st in line to purchase the vehicle...

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GBHUGVA
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Message Posted: Aug 3, 2012 8:12:31 AM

Ford Escape Hybrid is a better built veh. than the Prius
I have one of each, both driven equally.
The Ford with 140K miles feels much more solid than the Toy with 103K on it. I don't care who sold more, the Ford wins in our family!

The new C-max replaces Ford Escape hybrid.
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reb4
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Message Posted: Jul 18, 2012 9:31:05 AM

Ford Escape Hybrid is discontinued...

a discontinued car is not much value... but you could probably use that to negotiate a good price...

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reb4
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Message Posted: Jul 18, 2012 9:05:34 AM

The reason hybrids are "so expensive" is due to the car manufacturers putting more features on vehicles necessary. Many people can not afford a 28K car.

It's been my experience that car manufacturers offer low end priced vehicles but those vehicles are rare at the dealership. When I bought Hybrid every dealer tried to get me to purchase a different "non" hybrid vehicle. However when they talk about mpg they always talk about highway. When you look at vehicles, look at the combined which is a much more realistic number. If you drive 60 - 75% highway, you will know it and will be able to use that as your guide...

It will be interesting to watch this market develop, hopefully enought people will be willing to purchase the new model c-max (i try to avoid 1st year models, especially early on in model year)...


[Edited by: reb4 at 7/18/2012 9:07:15 AM EST]
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GBHUGVA
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Message Posted: Jul 18, 2012 8:07:19 AM

The prius is a small car, the Ford Escape Hybrid(still available) offers much more room. The new Ford C-Max which will pick up where the Escape leaves off will have more room than the largest prius V and be $555 less than the V. MPG's better than both small cars!
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GBHUGVA
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Message Posted: Jul 8, 2012 9:08:29 PM

Got mid 30's in the mountians of W.VA with the prius.
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mix76hawaiian
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Message Posted: Jul 8, 2012 6:54:42 PM

hybrids are good but how can we afford them??
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manaknight14
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Message Posted: Jul 8, 2012 4:45:05 PM

Actually drydem, a lot of standard internal-combustion cars have stop-start systems now too.
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drydem
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Message Posted: Jul 6, 2012 11:48:06 PM

hybrids have stop-start stop idle technology so they burn less fuel or no fuel when stuck in traffic. This means that in the real world it is easier for a hybrid to achieve its EPA MPG than a conventional gas vehicle which will continue to burn gas while waiting on traffac. Hybrids designed for low emissions and they burn a bit more gas than a regular conventional gas vechicle in the first few minute from a cold start. A hybrid's fuel efficiency is low the first few jihHowever, the longer you drive a hybrid the less that cold start penalty is.. Hybrids FE can vary widely. However, hybrids are also easier to hypermile than a conventional gas vehicle with a MT.
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GBHUGVA
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Message Posted: Jul 6, 2012 10:26:23 AM

will trade my prius for the new Ford hybrid this fall.

NO repairs of any kind on my Ford Escape Hybrid 140,000 miles, oil & some gas thats it!
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reb4
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Message Posted: Jul 5, 2012 9:12:24 AM

Car sales for Prius Hybrid (along with all hybrids) for last month, May 2012...

Unfortunately, Ford has no major vehicle to compete at this time...

Very unfortunate...

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GBHUGVA
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Message Posted: Jul 5, 2012 8:32:54 AM

Poor sales of the prius would indicate people do listen to CR.
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GBHUGVA
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Message Posted: Jun 19, 2012 6:16:54 AM

Ford Escape Hybrid is a better built veh. than the Prius
I have one of each, both driven equally.
The Ford with 140K miles feels much more solid than the Toy with 103K on it. I don't care who sold more, the Ford wins in our family!
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GBHUGVA
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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2012 7:12:16 AM

The Prius test score, said Consumer Reports, puts it slightly under its chief competitor, the mediocre Honda Insight, and is too low for us to recommend the model.”

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GBHUGVA
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2012 7:40:09 AM

The prius is a small car, the Ford Escape Hybrid(still available) offers much more room. The new Ford C-Max which will pick up where the Escape leaves off will have more room than the largest prius V and be $555 less than the V. MPG's better than both small cars!
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reb4
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Message Posted: Jun 3, 2012 8:53:52 PM

Weaselspit, based on the sonic vs Prius-c you would neet to move a little up stream.. Most people prefer automatic... and some of the creature features are not there in the sonic... like auto climate control....

but it comes to features that are important... comparably equipped the prius is about a 1,000 more, but then again, maybe someone doesn't need all the features... And would imagine there is room on the other cars but likely no budging on a prius - c if you can find one you want...
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GBHUGVA
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Message Posted: Jun 3, 2012 5:47:31 AM

2013 Ford C-max Plug-in will pick up where the 2005-2012 Escape Hybrid leaves off would be a better choice than the V.

"Honda and Toyota lie about MPG's, The wifes Prius got 40.3(395miles on 9.8gal) last fill NOT the 60/51 Toyota claims."

2004-2007 Toyota claimed 60 mpg city/51 mpg highway later in 2008 it was changed to 48 mpg city/45 mpg highway still higher than we get.

Our 2005 Ford Escape Hybrid gets 32.5 most of the time, paid 10grand
the wifes P.O.S. 2004 prius only gets 40.3 not 60 like they said, but she got it for 7grand, ok beater I guess, but the Ford is our favorite, better quality for sure!

reb4, that driving 30-40mph(pulse-glide/hyper-miling) in 45-55limit roads will get you rear-ended, oh you help desk metrosexuals are into that kinda thing!
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Message Posted: May 31, 2012 9:21:28 PM

If you are looking at trucks.
For example the 2wd 2009 chevy Silverado gets 19 or 20 mpg on the highway (depending on the engine).
The hybrid version is rated for 22mpg.
So unless you do a lot of city driving it will never pay for its self.

If you were really smart you could take the non hybrid and install a "fast back bed cover" or "aero shell" bed cover and pick up most of that 2mpg highway advantage the hybrid has for thousands less.
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GBHUGVA
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Message Posted: May 31, 2012 7:47:23 AM

PLAN TO SELL the prius THIS fall(and buy the new Ford hybrid), the wive keeps giving me the Toy Prius to drive, so I can check out posible problems, latest break lock ups in wet weather! The Prius is clearly the least favorite to drive and the Ford Escape hybrid the desired ride in our family!
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GBHUGVA
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Message Posted: May 30, 2012 7:45:15 AM

Full hybrids like the Ford Escape hybrid or the Ford Fusion hybrid get their EPA rated MPG when driven over 30 minutes per trip, under 55 mph, in warm weather, and if the driver accelerates and decelerates gently. A full hybrid like the Prius will get significantly below their EPA rating when driven hard, under 15 minutes per trip, in extreme cold, driven very fast around corner/bends, or/and driven at speeds over 70 mph.
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Message Posted: May 29, 2012 12:13:48 AM

"You should check them out again. Prius C's start at $19,000, not much more then a conventional car..."

Chevy Sonic hatchback starts at $14,765... Yaris at $14,115. Dunno how close they are equipped, but I imagine these numbers aren't far-off.
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GBHUGVA
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Message Posted: May 28, 2012 9:18:19 PM

Some real world prices on NEW cars from Cars.com
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Toy Prius Plug-in 33K - 48K Small car
Toy Prius V ----- 27K - 39K Midsized car
Toy Prius ------- 23K - 40K Small car
Toy Prius C --- 19.9K - 27K Small car
Chevy Volt ------ 37K - 48K Small car
Chevy Malibu -- 15.9K - 42K Midsized car
Ford Fusion --- 15.9K - 36K Midsized car
Ford Fusion Hybrd 24K - 36K Midsized car
Ford Escape Hybrd 28K - 33K Midsized SUV
Lincoln MKZ Hybrd 30K - 42K Midsized car
2013's due in the fall as ussual!
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: May 28, 2012 4:58:47 PM

"But can you trust the non-hybrid to get the advertised gas mileage"

Absolutely! I regularly get as good or better then advertised mileage with mine..

"Looked at a hybrid when shopping recently but still couldn't justify the price difference."

You should check them out again. Prius C's start at $19,000, not much more then a conventional car...
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Message Posted: May 28, 2012 4:17:23 PM

But can you trust the non-hybrid to get the advertised gas mileage. Looked at a hybrid when shopping recently but still couldn't justify the price difference.
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Message Posted: May 28, 2012 2:43:30 PM

When I first got into hybrids, I was driving a 2000 Honda Insight. I drove it all week long and each week, I couldn't wait for the weekends when I would saddle up in my Lincoln Navigator or my Ford Thunderbird. When I'm driving locally I don't worry much about mpg.

Now I have the Toyota Prius and while it doesn't rival the Lincoln Navigator for ride it does have all the toys. The stereo system is awesome and loaded with features. I love having GPS, satellite and bluetooth built into the vehicle. Often, my Lincoln sits in the driveway as even on weekends I rush off in the Prius.
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reb4
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Message Posted: May 28, 2012 9:21:10 AM

actually fords answer was to kill it's best hybrid they made... so not everyone's answer is a hybrid...
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Message Posted: May 28, 2012 8:21:51 AM

Hype-brids to me.
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GBHUGVA
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Message Posted: May 28, 2012 7:52:01 AM

Still the Ford is the better car!
Ford Escape Hybrid is a better built veh. than the Prius, I have one of each, both driven equally. The Ford with 140K miles feels much more solid than the Toy with 103K on it. I don't care who sold more, the Ford wins in our family!
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reb4
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Message Posted: May 27, 2012 10:59:51 PM

that must be why they are discontinuing the vehicle. 2013 rolling out (in the hail) but no hybrid...

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GBHUGVA
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Message Posted: May 27, 2012 10:20:11 PM

Ford Escape Hybrid is a better built veh. than the Prius, I have one of each, both driven equally. The Ford with 140K miles feels much more solid than the Toy with 103K on it. I don't care who sold more, the Ford wins in our family!
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Message Posted: May 26, 2012 12:19:50 PM

"My son bought a prius at 30K for the 60 mpg, He could of bought a vehicle that got 30 plus for half or less the cost."

Perhaps your son should have considered the Prius-c. Same mileage but they start at $19,000
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reb4
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Message Posted: May 26, 2012 10:58:30 AM

gbhugva,

right back at you gbhugva. here is what you have been posting...

"As for the 2013 Ford Escape, it will debut with 3 engine choices and Ford projects up to 5 mpg better fuel economy than the current Escape. So the new model will actually be able to deliver better fuel economy than the older hybrid technology, all at a likely lower cost to consumers"

Are you bipolar? How many of you are there?

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2amy
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Message Posted: May 26, 2012 10:22:43 AM

I have to agree with gem 1224, Why is everyone flocking to buy a hybrid? My son bought a prius at 30K for the 60 mpg, He could of bought a vehicle that got 30 plus for half or less the cost. I personally don't see the advantage.

[Edited by: 2amy at 5/26/2012 10:25:29 AM EST]
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GBHUGVA
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Message Posted: May 26, 2012 8:58:50 AM

Questions... Are you an idiot?, slow?, Why are you comparing the 2013 reg. Escape to a Hybrid?, 2013 improved over reg. 2012, you'll have to wait to compare 2012 hybrib to the 2013 C-Max. 2013's come out in the fall as ussual.
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reb4
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Message Posted: May 26, 2012 8:14:45 AM

since ford wasn't serious with the escape hybrid and put the hybrid feature on the top of the product line-up, no supprise that they sold so few...

nice link...

of course you could go to ford and get the information.... and the advantage is on one engine, and only the highway improves NOT city driving...


[Edited by: reb4 at 5/26/2012 8:16:43 AM EST]
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GBHUGVA
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Message Posted: May 26, 2012 8:05:47 AM

2013 Ford/Lincoln will be this fall!

Ford is also working to develop its own CV transmission for its hybrid vehicles to eliminate the Toyota choke point.

As for the 2013 Ford Escape, it will debut with 3 engine choices and Ford projects up to 5 mpg better fuel economy than the current Escape. So the new model will actually be able to deliver better fuel economy than the older hybrid technology, all at a likely lower cost to consumers.

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What's not to like?
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GBHUGVA
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Message Posted: May 23, 2012 8:50:49 AM

Still available at the dealers near us , and they are building the new C-Max and Escapes already!
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reb4
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Message Posted: May 23, 2012 8:50:29 AM

www.ford.com doesn't feature or mention the ford escape on their website under hybrids... must have escaped!
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GBHUGVA
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Message Posted: May 23, 2012 8:16:50 AM

The prius is a small car, the Ford Escape Hybrid(still available) offers much more room. The new Ford C-Max which will pick up where the Escape leaves off will have more room than the largest prius V and be $555 less than the V.
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reb4
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Message Posted: May 20, 2012 10:16:09 AM

gbhugva, where again is it you work?
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