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Delboy_Derek

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Message Posted: May 25, 2010 12:05:30 PM

In the U.K. a lot of drivers have moved over to driving diesel engine cars for better economy.
Here is the car I drive in Scotland.

40 + mpg (US gallon size)
Ford Mondeo Estate (Station Wagon)
Engine 1.8 litre TDCI Diesel
0 - 60 > 12 secs
Top speed 125 mph

Location > Hamilton Scotland
Latest gas price today in Hamilton, Scotland = $6.06 / US Gallon size

http://www.ford.co.uk/Cars/Mondeo
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hoofharted
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Message Posted: Sep 30, 2014 5:06:00 AM

yes
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Message Posted: Sep 28, 2014 11:06:10 AM

yup
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Message Posted: Sep 28, 2014 10:54:19 AM

sure
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contiki
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Message Posted: Sep 28, 2014 8:03:31 AM

Never.....ever.....don't like diesel.......
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2014 4:41:36 AM

Never have, never will.
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2014 1:14:10 AM

of course
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BigHorne1
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Message Posted: Sep 26, 2014 2:07:23 PM

no and don't plan on it
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Message Posted: Sep 26, 2014 8:20:24 AM

Yes. Have for years
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Message Posted: Sep 26, 2014 8:09:08 AM

no
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2014 12:55:13 PM

nope.
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pilotdlh
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2014 10:25:23 AM

Absolutely. My next vehicle will be diesel.
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2014 9:52:12 AM

Yes.
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2014 5:05:54 AM

No, but I drive a diesel bus.
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2014 5:02:31 AM

no
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Message Posted: Sep 22, 2014 10:33:53 AM

No
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Message Posted: Sep 22, 2014 8:35:57 AM

NO
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Les4hdtv
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Message Posted: Sep 21, 2014 1:01:17 PM

Difference between a Hybrid and a Diesel AC:

I believe that the new Diesels sold now only have 2 AC setting:
on and off Mode, with a temp and a vent selector.

The electronic hybrid TCH has 3 software controlled modes:
1. Off
2. On + ECO mode which cycles the AC on and off based on some formula.
The engine comes on more often but is not on all the time. This is called the Eco mode. Result lower MPG as previously stated.
3. On + Eco mode Off leaves the AC on until the cabin reaches the digital setting - same as "On" for a simple fuel burner.

Of course, when you get in a HOT car, you want to go to mode 3 but you can go back to mode 2 soon thereafter.

The important take-away hill billy Az wanted you to understand is that if you live in a blazing hot place, year around, the Diesel will do just as well on the street. Not sure anywhere in the U.S. is that Hot.
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Message Posted: Sep 21, 2014 9:38:24 AM

no
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Message Posted: Sep 21, 2014 9:23:48 AM

Not until they become cost effective.
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Message Posted: Sep 21, 2014 7:53:17 AM

Have for years
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Message Posted: Sep 20, 2014 6:18:44 PM

no
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oldhillbillyAZ
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Message Posted: Sep 20, 2014 6:00:59 PM

Les4: Please give me the name of the Dealership, name of the person you spoke to there.
(what I asked for was a accurate break down of the costs)

Apparently you don't understand Air Conditioning...Toyota did not "Design it that way"
That's just the way A/C works. Ever looked under the hood while the engine is running ??
The compressor cycles on and off all the time. If it didn't the evaporator would freeze.
Try your plain old Camry... Start the car...get the A/C cold... turn off the ignition then turn the ignition back on...Wa-LA cold air that starts getting cool, then warm.

My point was if your in bumper to bumper traffic, it was 100 degrees. You move up and stop then move up and stop for 30 minutes. You can't use electric (w/o engine running) and have a/c.

I don't love any cars... I've just gained a new perspective of Diesel cars. Never owned a diesel before (except tractors). I'm not trying to sell you on one...Don't care if you never own another. Don't care what you drive...

Just quit blowing smoke up everyone’s butt about things you read on the Internet.

I feel I'm only contributing to the problem so I'm ending my contribution.

You have a nice day...<Ignore> <Press Here----------------------------------------------------------->

[Edited by: oldhillbillyAZ at 9/20/2014 6:01:57 PM EST]
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Les4hdtv
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Message Posted: Sep 20, 2014 11:56:14 AM

No, definitely no more diesels.

Hill Billy-Az: You asked me to test drive a diesel. I did! they were noisy and vibrated the steering wheel, which I am not use to in the TCH.
I read the reports on a blog about the cost of maintaining the new Ds.
I called the Dealership and they confirmed the it costs over 800 every 40,000 miles. Did I get that wrong? You tell me.

Now about your misunderstanding of the Hybrid. The Air Con is oversized and continues to blow cold and then cool air even though you are stopped at a light. They designed it that way. Did you think that the AC just stopped? Are we finally clear on this?
And I have noted and tested the MPG when needing to use the AC. Yes it does drop the MPG by a small amount. You may not have the faith that I have in the Small Matter of Programming (SMOP) that goes into programming these vehicles.
Admit it Hill, you just love those diesels so much that you just might have run up over 7 thousand posts to prove it. Me, not quite there so much.

I just love going anywhere I want anytime of day including rush hour traffic and not having to worry about a traffic jam or running too low on gas. A hybrid actually make my driving safer. No more trying to beat a long light - does not matter.

P.S. And by the way - No one, no where has ever accused me of being a troll. That did get a good laugh on this end.
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contiki
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Message Posted: Sep 20, 2014 8:09:52 AM

No..........never.........ever..........
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Message Posted: Sep 20, 2014 2:53:01 AM

no!
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Message Posted: Sep 19, 2014 10:20:26 PM

No
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oldhillbillyAZ
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Message Posted: Sep 19, 2014 6:55:19 PM

Sounds pretty unbiased to me....
***(What I have found is that there are a few good reasons for driving them and there are also reasons to drive something better.)***

In order to be unbiased one must list the pros and cons of each and be honest and show no partiality. I don't think that is within your ability to do that.

If I lived in the city, spent most of my time behind the wheel in "Gridlock" and lived in an area with a cooler climate.....I might have bought a Prius.

I don't...
Here your never on "battery only" because your a/c in on all the time.
(YES AS YOU KNOW THE ENGINE MUST BE RUNNING TO HAVE A/C). The only time I could use Battery only is going out my driveway in the winter because "I STAY UNDER 15 MPH". It's less than 1/2 mile (@ 35 MPH) to a 65 MPH speed limit. I spend "very" little time under 50 MPH.

The "Average MPG" for a Camry Hybrid is 37-40
The "Average MPG" for a Passat TDI is 40-43
You drive in the city... you get better than average mileage...
I drive on the open road....I get better than average mileage...

You like Toyota Camrys..........
I like Hondas, Nissans, Volkswagens, Acuras, Toyotas (especially Lexus), BMW's Audi's and Mercedes. I guess you could say I'm not so narrow minded.( and yes I own a Ford and a GMC)

After spending 30+ years in and around the automotive industry I've learned a lot. One very important thing is the ability to recognize someone blowing smoke.
(I'm not touchy about the truth...anecdotal BS... well maybe a little)

You use words/phrases like...I did a lot of research...some with the help of guys ... quotes from other sites ...Camry Hybrid blog ... My tests are accurate ... multiple sources for corroboration.

Your a genius....If you turned off your computer your mind would be blank...what was the last "Big" thing you did to a car ???...Alone... no help...no computer... no cell phone. I have no problem with using these things to assist, but not as the "ONLY" ability. One should know their limitations, and not try to be an authority on things they have limited knowledge/experience.
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(Still waiting on the operation and the cost, and most of all where you got your info for the 800+ dollars of work required every 40K miles.....)


[Edited by: oldhillbillyAZ at 9/19/2014 6:57:59 PM EST]
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Les4hdtv
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Message Posted: Sep 19, 2014 10:30:50 AM

I did a lot of research on Hybrid and Diesel, some with the help of guys here that know more about diesel than I did even though I owned one and it was a complete disaster.
It does sound like one or two here get a little touchy when they see quotes from othere sites that fully answer why one might not want to drive the new EPA certified Diesels. I apologize for any misunderstanding.

But more importantly, I believe there are better alternatives than an old smokie legacy diesel, or one of the new certified cleaner models that can hit hard on maintenance costs.
What I have found is that there are a few good reasons for driving them and there are also reasons to drive something better.

Also see my comments on the Camry Hybrid blog where I discuss my tests for gas MPG vs. distance to work and at what point your MPG may or may not agree with EPA tests. My tests are accurate and the bias removed using multiple sources for corroboration.
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MicahJ1992
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 10:34:47 PM

DEISEL!
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MicahJ1992
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 10:34:31 PM

I am a military petroleum specialist and I would rather have a diesel. that grade of fuel burns slower and I put a lot of highway miles on my truck so I would pay more at the pump but it will last longer
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oldhillbillyAZ
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 8:14:20 PM

and Les4hdtv continues to blow smoke as usual....

As usual there's a lot of words with very little to back it up...
Example please list the 800+ dollars of work required every 40K miles.
List the operation and the cost, and most of all where you got your info.

And those "special" additives (ad-Blue) roughly $10.00 every 10,000 miles...
That's $0.001 or one tenth of a penny every mile.. My average mileage for the last year has been 48.x MPG...that's $0.07 per mile.

If I wanted a Camry I would have bought one. A few thousand either way would not have influenced my decision.

You might try starting your own "Topic"... Would you drive a "Camry Hybrid"
This topic reads "Would you drive a "DIESEL CAR". Most everyone is following topic.

My though would be, If you spent half as much time reporting gas prices as you do researching information on the computer that you inappropriately quote in "Bashing" diesels and bragging on Toyota....

You joined GasBuddy in Jan 2004, and have accrued 8,240 points.....

O.M.G...THAT'S 10 YEARS...MOST GAS BUDDIES ACCRUE THAT IN A WEEK....

I'm surprised the moderators haven't "86ed" you for being a "Troll" Maybe it's because you've only posted 113 times...

[Edited by: oldhillbillyAZ at 9/17/2014 8:18:50 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 2:47:57 PM

No
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Les4hdtv
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 11:43:54 AM

According to federal economy guidelines for 2014:

Passat and Jetta rate 34 MPG
The Camry Hybrid rate 41 MPG
And the average cost of the TCH is 26K vs 29K for the Passat which is the equal in size of a TCH.
The TCH has no engine maintenance in the first 100K mile.
The Passat diesel requires an 800+ dollar work every 40K miles.
And it requires special additives.

Is that correct so far?

The gas Camry is rated at 28 MPG. The Jjetta, therefore is only 21% more efficient and costs an average of 3K more.
the gas Camry has no 40,000 mile maintenance cost and gas is a lot cheaper than Diesel. Diesel is great for long distance runs but lousy in short and rush hour commutes, especially compared to a TCH, right?

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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 7:19:46 AM

Never...............
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Message Posted: Sep 16, 2014 9:12:47 PM

no
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Message Posted: Sep 16, 2014 7:42:04 PM

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Message Posted: Sep 13, 2014 11:04:11 AM

Not until they become cost effective.
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Huh???? A diesel engine will give you up to 40% better mileage than the same car with a gas engine!!!!!

You can load it up with luggage and passengers and you will still get better mileage!

[Edited by: Jetta_Pilot at 9/16/2014 7:43:15 PM EST]
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twt
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2014 10:27:18 AM

No, I wouldn't
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2014 9:56:11 AM

Had 3 so far, and will buy another next year!
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2014 9:21:23 AM

No
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2014 8:26:40 PM

Nope 330 horsepower 3.7
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2014 5:44:53 PM

yes
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2014 10:04:08 AM

the idea of diesel engine vehicle is growing in my little pointed head.
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hoofharted
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2014 4:46:29 AM

yes
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pilotdlh
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Message Posted: Sep 13, 2014 11:54:13 PM

I used to have one, don't now, but I will in the future.
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Message Posted: Sep 13, 2014 11:34:53 AM

Would I, yes, will I, probably not.
Diesel engines have a $2000+ price premium over their gas equivalents, diesel fuel costs $0.50 more/gallon, making it take a real long time to actually see a measurable difference unless you're driving 15,000+ miles a year.
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Message Posted: Sep 13, 2014 11:04:11 AM

Not until they become cost effective.
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Message Posted: Sep 13, 2014 7:55:38 AM

yep...i drive one everyday
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Message Posted: Sep 13, 2014 6:58:01 AM

Have for years
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